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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Shipping companies have made record profits at these ports. Many of the off shore. Good for the workers making a good wage. That money doesn’t go to the greedy corporations and instead goes back into the local US community/economy
Record profits mean nothing when the economy is setup by default to be inflationary, if they aren't setting a new record constantly they will soon cease to exist
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
the workers were offered 50% wage increase over the 5 years. Workers want 77%. I think 60% is a good compromise.



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i guess then paying them a million dollars a year to do simple jobs would be even better for the 'local' communities.



their issues are more complex than just wages, they want NO automation. i heard this morning that automation is in their CURRENT contract. they say they want jobs for their 'families' (meaning next gens) forever, without automation and giant wages. that's preposterous.

i just googled port automation. a company like this one seems like the union's biggest threat.

Sea Port Automation | RADWIN
https://radwin.com/sea-port-automation/

https://youtu.be/mkVhsigi-AI?si=qduwMx1_44jtl2Fr

resistance is futile.
I don’t get how someone can put a $ amount on how much another person should earn at their job. Put yourself in these workers’ shoes. Would you say ok $39/hr is enough for my family and myself. Would you say I’ll take the 50% raise vs a 77% raise? Imagine someone telling you that you’re overpaid for what you do.

Are you willing to do their job? 🧐
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
it could well cause a nice recession later this year, not to mention massive shortages and thousands of containers stuck off shore.
looks like the workers have a lot of leverage
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well-spoken, Jill. I agree. One must also remember that much of what we eat and drink (if it comes from overseas), wear, buy in stores, drive, and generally depend on for much of our day-to-day life is made possible by those workers who load and unload the ships....along, of course, with truck/train-operators, farmers/ranchers, and many others.
I don't think anyone is arguing that the work is unnecessary or not valuable. Some of us ARE questioning if the skills required to do the work warrant a $350k/year paycheck. Or whether the quarter-Billion dollars per year the union will be raking in under this new contract might just possibly be a major factor at play here.

I mean, it's not like the head of the union just hosted a "candid conversation" where he said--and I quote--"I will cripple you", while wearing a $40,000 watch and who knows how much in gold chains. Oh wait, that did happen. But he's not completely without couth. The virtual background makes it impossible to tell whether it was filmed on his 76-foot yacht.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:27 AM
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“. After the onset of COVID-19, in 2020, the industry began to flourish, pocketing $16 billion in profits that year.

In 2021, profits soared to nearly $150 billion, and the following year climbed even higher to $215 billion, McCown found.”
pure greed by the shipping companies

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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
I don't think anyone is arguing that the work is unnecessary or not valuable. Some of us ARE questioning if the skills required to do the work warrant a $350k/year paycheck. Or whether the quarter-Billion dollars per year the union will be raking in under this new contract might just possibly be a major factor at play here.

I mean, it's not like the head of the union just hosted a "candid conversation" where he said--and I quote--"I will cripple you", while wearing a $40,000 watch and who knows how much in gold chains. Oh wait, that did happen. But he's not completely without couth. The virtual background makes it impossible to tell whether it was filmed on his 76-foot yacht.
Begs the question of whether the unions have the best interest of these striking workings in mind, or do they simply see them as pawns in the game.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
looks like the workers have a lot of leverage

All the leverage in my opinion. It all depends on how long they can hold out to get what they want
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
All the leverage in my opinion. It all depends on how long they can hold out to get what they want

Although I don't have any hard numbers, the ILA union reportedly has a lot of strike-funds. So, if management thinks that they can simply starve them out by stalling for time, that's not going to happen for quite some time.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jwong77
Begs the question of whether the unions have the best interest of these striking workings in mind, or do they simply see them as pawns in the game.
Being in a job that has a powerful union.. the leadership is generally out for themselves.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Although I don't have any hard numbers, the ILA union reportedly has a lot of strike-funds. So, if management thinks that they can simply starve them out by stalling for time, that's not going to happen for quite some time.
Why do you keep supporting these unions whey they are rife with corruption? UAW has a long history of it, and this
https://laborpains.org/2021/04/01/lo...nd-corruption/
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by LexusForever
Being in a job that has a powerful union.. the leadership is generally out for themselves.
Unfortunately in some cases there’s some truth to this as well😔
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
pure greed by the shipping companies

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Curious that they've left out 2023's profits, as the data is readily available.

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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Why do you keep supporting these unions whey they are rife with corruption? UAW has a long history of it, and this
https://laborpains.org/2021/04/01/lo...nd-corruption/

I don't always agree with unions....sometimes they may go a little too far on some issues. But let's separate facts from fiction. First of all, they are probably no more corrupt than many corporate or government officials....the news stories each day prove that. Second, if it weren't for unions, there would probably be no such thing as a standard 8-hour day/40-hour week, or employer-provided health insurance. Third, on this particular strike, I'm supporting the job-security-issue more than the actual pay raise. Fourth, in Right-to-Work states (like mine in Virginia) workers are not forced to join unions in any particular industry...they can opt out if desired.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
Curious that they've left out 2023's profits, as the data is readily available.
It might (?) depend on whether the companies have finalized their tax bills yet for money owed on 2023-income figures...can't really determine ultimate profits until the taxes are paid. Don't forget, those shipping companies are dealing with not just U.S. tax laws/schedules, but also those of many other nations around the globe.
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Old Oct 3, 2024 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It might (?) depend on whether the companies have finalized their tax bills yet for money owed on 2023-income figures...can't really determine ultimate profits until the taxes are paid. Don't forget, those shipping companies are dealing with not just U.S. tax laws/schedules, but also those of many other nations around the globe.
As I said, the numbers are readily available. The industry posted a loss in 2023, and even pre-strike, 2024 wasn't looking great either. But now that we're here, the surcharges are flying and rates are skyrocketing. So I expect it will probably wind up well into the black when all is said and done. At your and my expense, of course.

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