ClubLexus - Lexus Forum Discussion

ClubLexus - Lexus Forum Discussion (https://www.clublexus.com/forums/)
-   Car Chat (https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-chat-139/)
-   -   45k dockworker's about to strike (https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/1029712-45k-dockworkers-about-to-strike.html)

bitkahuna Sep 30, 2024 12:01 PM

45k dockworker's about to strike
 
this would have a serious impact on the auto industry (among others) :eek2:

jwong77 Sep 30, 2024 12:14 PM

I heard about this, and its supposedly going to negatively drive down the national economy by 4-5 Billion a day!

mmarshall Sep 30, 2024 12:28 PM

First, this is what happens when workers are taken advantage of. Sometimes they have no choice but to strike...thank goodness for the ILA Union. Second, the country got through the collapse of the Baltimore Harbor Bridge without a national recession.....and that shut down much of the East Coast shipping for over a month. We'll get through this, too.

Toys4RJill Sep 30, 2024 12:42 PM

Good ol’ inefficient unions…

geko29 Sep 30, 2024 01:10 PM

Just going to throw a couple of quotes out there from an AP Article:


Top-scale port workers now earn a base pay of $39 an hour, or just over $81,000 a year. But with overtime and other benefits, some can make in excess of $200,000 annually. Neither the union nor the ports would discuss pay levels. But a 2019-2020 report by the Waterfront Commission, which oversees New York Harbor, said about a third of the longshoremen based there made $200,000 or more.

"Top scale" according to the current labor agreement is automatically reached at the sixth work anniversary.


Analysts say the union’s initial demands included a 77% pay raise over the course of a six-year contract. Daggett, the union president, said sizable pay raises would make up for the inflation spike of the past few years.
No doubt dock workers provide a valuable service and should be compensated for it. But $354,000 per year sounds a little rich for semi-skilled labor, even if they are working a lot of overtime.

They also want a complete ban on any kind of automation, to ensure that the docks don't become too efficient.

jwong77 Sep 30, 2024 01:14 PM

This all makes me think of the second season of "The Wire".

bitkahuna Sep 30, 2024 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by geko29 (Post 11796389)
They also want a complete ban on any kind of automation, to ensure that the docks don't become too efficient.

at some point docks somewhere will become much more automated and dock workers at other more 'labor intensive' docks will get a payoff to go away (retire). florida will be happy to welcome them so they can spend all that money. :D

jwong77 Sep 30, 2024 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by bitkahuna (Post 11796400)
at some point docks somewhere will become much more automated and dock workers at other more 'labor intensive' docks will get a payoff to go away (retire). florida will be happy to welcome them so they can spend all that money. :D

I wonder if this similar thing happened to horse carriage drivers (or other jobs that were obsolete) when automobiles were invented.

FrankReynoldsCPA Sep 30, 2024 02:41 PM

A bunch of screaming and useless half-wits upset that the world has left them behind because they failed to adapt. Now they want to hold the country hostage? They can all burn in hell.

mmarshall Sep 30, 2024 07:54 PM

Personally, I agree with the anti-automation part of the strike more than the demands for more wages. Job security, especially in this day and age, can be far more important than the actual wages. And automated/computer-controlled devices can be hacked.....time and experience has, sadly, taught us that lesson.

mmarshall Sep 30, 2024 09:41 PM

Well, it's now official...as of midnight, on with the strike.

First strike, BTW, from the ILA since 1977....that was the better part of 50 years ago. That shows how serious the stakes are right now.

chuckNX Sep 30, 2024 09:55 PM

The Union limits the amount of port workers on purpose to ensure a $39k worker makes $100k-$200k with overtime. The union has held US ports back and are incredibly inefficient.

They want job scarcity, increased yet outrageous pay for unskilled labor, and the threat of further automation removed.

What we need is fair pay for more port workers so overtime is the exception and not the norm and a plan to automate and modernize. None of which will happen as this is another corrupt area of business that American is saddled with.

FrankReynoldsCPA Sep 30, 2024 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by mmarshall (Post 11796659)
Well, it's now official...as of midnight, on with the strike.

First strike, BTW, from the ILA since 1977....that was the better part of 50 years ago. That shows how serious the stakes are right now.

Maybe they should have gone to college and bettered their skills so they wouldn't be competing with automated gates for employment.

Our economy shouldn't be held hostage by the least educated and least useful members of our society.

Striker223 Sep 30, 2024 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA (Post 11796675)
Maybe they should have gone to college and bettered their skills so they wouldn't be competing with automated gates for employment.

Our economy shouldn't be held hostage by the least educated and least useful members of our society.

Agreed but there are obvious reasons why that's not the case/how it plays out.

bitkahuna Oct 1, 2024 03:57 AM

apparently dock crane operators make $300k a year and they want a 77% increase, massive retirement contribution increases and no automation.

bring on the automation and fire the lot of them!


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:41 PM.


© 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands