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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker223
The domestics all gave gas heavy duty trucks, I'll leave you to look them yourself......all of them outstrip Toyota and have stellar reliability. My Jeep is currently beating your tundra so stack on another 100k and see if it makes it. Plus you are in the south, you already have it easy down there

Im actually considering an SQ7 or Range Rover since they are far better at towing and just better cars in general, my only hesitation is I would want to use them more than I do the Toyota. The sequoia I'm perfectly happy to leave sit most of the time unless I need to do something as it's a very "meh" drive vs my cars
I’m sorry you couldn’t give me a Jeep. My uncle has a >20k mile 2017 Range Rover he would happily to sell you.

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given how much heavy towing you do bayeauxlex i don't get why you don't have an actual heavy duty truck like an f250. in a lot of those pics it looks like the tundra is unbalanced for the load.
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Ohhhhhh! You went there!!!! I wasn't going to but you opened the floodgates haha!

There are few things more uncomfortable than towing with a 1/2 ton near or past it's limits, it is SO much nicer to use a real truck when you have any actual weight.


When the 300k CUMMINS is in the shop getting its tranny replaced you have to do what you have to do with ole reliable. Tundra pulls loads just fine. 4.30 gears


Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
HD trucks are a pain to live with when not towing. Plus domestic trucks have more issues so the Toyota is a good compromise. And diesels are terrible if you have to pass any sort of emission testing


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Agreed, if I saw that on the road would do my best to get as far away as possible.
Just make sure you’re in the right lane as my track buddies and I just installed some trailer tires rated for 90mph on our car haulers. 😏

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You say that but actual stats say you are best off with a Ford.....have you driven any of the current HD trucks? It's insane how nice they are to live with now, the diesels are so quiet it's impossible to tell.
They are not a smooth ride especially unloaded. Also have to kill the engine at every drive thru. The 5.9 is loud!!
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
To be fair the SC400 was more than fast for its time with the LS400's V8.
Definitely, but it's a luxocruiser not a featherweight sports car.
I thought you were talking about overall engine vs. engine. I'd have to give it to the Lexus V8, especially when it picked up VVT. But it's just opinion versus opinion..
All the 1UZ swaps I've seen are pre-VVTi for whatever reason. I tried to buy a Celica just like this one (not the same car but same swap) I was out bid.

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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 08:41 PM
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I had a 1UZ-FE in my 92 LS400. It was incredibly smooth and refined as a flagship luxury car should have for an engine, but I never thought of it as being a particularly hot motor.
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Old Sep 12, 2024 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
I’m sorry you couldn’t give me a Jeep. My uncle has a >20k mile 2017 Range Rover he would happily to sell




They are not a smooth ride especially unloaded. Also have to kill the engine at every drive thru. The 5.9 is loud!!
The weight. And a solid axle will eventually wear you don’t. It’s taxing. Or the firmer leaf suspensions. 1/2 tons are a better compromise.

I truly wish Toyota offered full time 4WD in the Tundra



look at the curb weight. The gas versions are bad on gas. (That’s not to say 1/2 tons are much better)





I would 💜 to try the Chevy 8.1. Wonder what it’s like to drive an engine that big?

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42 hp per liter? That's shameful.
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
42 hp per liter? That's shameful.
If your design goal is specific output, absolutely. But then if that was the goal they would have used lightweight parts, high compression and an oversquare design to allow for a nice high (for the size) redline of 6500 or so, and power that surges as revs increase.

But that's not at all what this type of engine is about. It's about easy torque to pull big loads with minimal strain. So instead you have an undersquare design made of super beefy and very heavy cast iron components, with a 9:1 compression ratio. It has a very low redline of 5,000 rpm, but makes 400lbft of torque just off-idle (before 1,000 rpm), peaking at just 3,200 rpm.

This is exactly the kind of engine design you want in a truck (or RV, which is this engine's primary application) that's designed to spend its life working hard.
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The 5.9 Cummins is a 20 year old engine so I'm not sure why it was brought up.....unlike Toyota the domestics actually issue improvments more often than once every 15 years
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
All the 1UZ swaps I've seen are pre-VVTi for whatever reason. I tried to buy a Celica just like this one (not the same car but same swap) I was out bid.
from a wiring it up standpoint i'm pretty sure the original 1UZ is the much more straightforward option

also many are convinced the original design is "stronger" because it has thicker connecting rods, which may be true and may be something to consider if you're converting to forced induction... but i just see more reciprocating mass and an engine that's less rev happy
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Originally Posted by geko29
If your design goal is specific output, absolutely. But then if that was the goal they would have used lightweight parts, high compression and an oversquare design to allow for a nice high (for the size) redline of 6500 or so, and power that surges as revs increase.

But that's not at all what this type of engine is about. It's about easy torque to pull big loads with minimal strain. So instead you have an undersquare design made of super beefy and very heavy cast iron components, with a 9:1 compression ratio. It has a very low redline of 5,000 rpm, but makes 400lbft of torque just off-idle (before 1,000 rpm), peaking at just 3,200 rpm.

This is exactly the kind of engine design you want in a truck (or RV, which is this engine's primary application) that's designed to spend its life working hard.
Agreed. Someone has to look up the gearing of the 8.1 Chevy. My 2UZ is low revving. Max 4800 for HP and TQ at 3400. The 8.1 is 4200/3200
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Originally Posted by Striker223
The 5.9 Cummins is a 20 year old engine so I'm not sure why it was brought up.....
You were the one that brought up HD diesels lol

unlike Toyota the domestics actually issue improvments more often than once every 15 years
not true lol
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
from a wiring it up standpoint i'm pretty sure the original 1UZ is the much more straightforward option

also many are convinced the original design is "stronger" because it has thicker connecting rods, which may be true and may be something to consider if you're converting to forced induction... but i just see more reciprocating mass and an engine that's less rev happy
No VVT makes an engine stupid easy to setup on an aftermarket controller, the earlier ones are much stronger as well.
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Agreed. Someone has to look up the gearing of the 8.1 Chevy. My 2UZ is low revving. Max 4800 for HP and TQ at 3400. The 8.1 is 4200/3200
What is your obsession with the 8.1? It's not a good engine, it was just a temporary solution and the 6.2 totally replaced it since the 6.2 had a 6 speed allowing better effective pulling and far less drawbacks.
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
You were the one that brought up HD diesels lol



not true lol
I brought up the current ones yes, not a 15-20 year old option because unlike Toyota other brands improve
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Originally Posted by Striker223
No VVT makes an engine stupid easy to setup on an aftermarket controller, the earlier ones are much stronger as well.
the 1UZ is pretty much the GM small block of australia and new zealand, being so much closer to japan i'm pretty sure it's very easy to import one there! i've seen some awesome 1UZ builds out of that region
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Agreed. Someone has to look up the gearing of the 8.1 Chevy. My 2UZ is low revving. Max 4800 for HP and TQ at 3400. The 8.1 is 4200/3200
I should have also added that the 8.1 is a 25-year-old engine, and an evolution of the 454 introduced in 1970 (itself a descendent of the original 1955 409/427 big block). It was discontinued 15 years ago, so of course it's outperformed by the 6.6L that replaced it, as well as Ford's 7.3L "Godzilla". But though the technology has improved to allow for similar outputs from those somewhat-smaller motors, the basic design goals remained unchanged: Make an engine that is both everyday driveable with low maintenance requirements, while nonetheless being able to easily pull a heavy trailer almost like a diesel when required.

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What is your obsession with the 8.1? It's not a good engine, it was just a temporary solution and the 6.2 totally replaced it since the 6.2 had a 6 speed allowing better effective pulling and far less drawbacks.
This makes no sense. The 8.1 and 6.2 are totally different engines with totally different applications. The Vortec 8100 has never been available in the half-ton, and the 6.2L has never been available in the 3/4 and 1 ton. So in no universe is one a replacement for the other.

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