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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
. The older Toyota stuff is better than the newer stuff.

Your 2UR was never updated …it’s the same as it was in 2006. Where is the innovation? At least with the 2UZ it was updated mid cycle. (Even though the stuff they added is not cool in my books)
Updated to still be lesser than any UR engine so your point was? That's like saying "I have the UPDATED AND NEWEST Toyota NA 4 cyl"......cool story bro, you are still missing 8 cylinders!
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
2UZ has always been an interference motor
My guy I'm so tempted to buy a 2UZ and take a knife to the belt while running just so you can eat your words hahaha!

What next, you gonna tell me a 1MZ in interference?
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
A 20 year old Toyota engine is too modern?
A one year old Toyota engine isn't modern 🤣🤣🤣
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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by geko29
I should have been more clear. Toyota's documentation states that, but there are literally hundreds of cases of pre-VVT engines that have snapped their belts (often at highway speeds) and suffered no damage. Here's just one example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLaGE4vSqHg

Every "forcible valve re-clearancing" failure I've ever heard of has been on a VVTi motor.
I have seen this video, I was a little surprised with that video. From what I understand, if the belt breaks a low RPM then there is a possibility of no damage, but if you are running at 4K or more than then there is damage.

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Cam seals

VVT solenoids


Also, what URs have you owned? I've owned 2 UZs and two URs so I've actually lived with both and worked on both
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You're against VVT-I?.
For the exact reasons Striker says above They will fail on the 4.7. If you don't have it, how can it break?

Originally Posted by Striker223
Updated to still be lesser than any UR engine so your point was? That's like saying "I have the UPDATED AND NEWEST Toyota NA 4 cyl"......cool story bro, you are still missing 8 cylinders!
Are you saying the newer engines are better than the older Toyota engines?

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Old Sep 13, 2024 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
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For the exact reasons Striker says above They will fail on the 4.7. If you don't have it, how can it break?
I have never once heard of a failed VVTi in any Lexus V8. It's not that complicated, it's oil (pressure?) actuated IIRC.

Nothing super complex---the valves change timing for more torque down low and freer revving up high.

2UZ wasn't interference until VVT was added.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
What are we looking at that you posted here?
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
What are we looking at that you posted here?
The very reason for HG failure vs not.

On VVTi so many people misunderstand what it is. There is no variable lift which means there is no reason for a VVTi engine to automatically become interference unless other components are changed like pistons, rods and potentially crankshaft.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I have never once heard of a failed VVTi in any Lexus V8. It's not that complicated, it's oil (pressure?) actuated IIRC.

Nothing super complex---the valves change timing for more torque down low and freer revving up high.

2UZ wasn't interference until VVT was added.
yep it's oil pressure activating a spline gear that phases the intake cam timing


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Originally Posted by LeX2K
The very reason for HG failure vs not.

On VVTi so many people misunderstand what it is. There is no variable lift which means there is no reason for a VVTi engine to automatically become interference unless other components are changed like pistons, rods and potentially crankshaft.
does that mean that a corolla or matrix XRS with the 2ZZ could potentially have this happen?
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
yep it's oil pressure activating a spline gear that phases the intake cam timing
Absolutely. Oil pressure changes the CAM position by applying force to the actuator, opening them at high RPM to allow more air. Works the same as VTEC

"VVTi Yo 🤣🤣"
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
I have seen this video, I was a little surprised with that video. From what I understand, if the belt breaks a low RPM then there is a possibility of no damage, but if you are running at 4K or more than then there is damage.





For the exact reasons Striker says above They will fail on the 4.7. If you don't have it, how can it break?



Are you saying the newer engines are better than the older Toyota engines?
Depends but for V8s absolutely, I'll take the newer engines.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
The very reason for HG failure vs not.

On VVTi so many people misunderstand what it is. There is no variable lift which means there is no reason for a VVTi engine to automatically become interference unless other components are changed like pistons, rods and potentially crankshaft.
Yep and on the 1MZ they never changed physical components and the 2UZ the pre-VVT engines have clearance
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
does that mean that a corolla or matrix XRS with the 2ZZ could potentially have this happen?
Those are interference yes, so VVT or not you lose crank/cam relation it's bad time
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Absolutely. Oil pressure changes the CAM position by applying force to the actuator, opening them at high RPM to allow more air. Works the same as VTEC

"VVTi Yo 🤣🤣"
i'd say similar to VTEC but there's a major difference too

VTEC literally has a 3rd, more aggressive cam in between the 2 standard cam lobes that gets engaged... VTEC is either on or off

variable valve timing is well, variable lol... in the case of the corolla and matrix XRS with VVTL-i that really is more like VTEC where the cam profile suddenly switches at a certain RPM
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