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Old Dec 2, 2024 | 11:30 AM
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I don’t drive a ton but in my few outings this weekend, I got trolled twice and both times were DBs in Subies. I am chilling in the number 3 lane going 73 so apparently the red wheels made them insecure in their masculinity. I am starting to consider the next car, but this one’s free and clear. I sort have access to a Jaguar XL J, which is really a nice car, so I will sit tight for a while. But the trolling though, SMDH.
yup, definitely the red wheels

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Yaris had that ugly, everything in the middle dash too.
"too"? are you comparing with that mini, or a tesla?

that yaris interior is beyond cheap and ugly.
Old Dec 2, 2024 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Why don't you put me on your ignore list? Then the issue is solved and you need not be bothered by what I post. I was not rude, I simply said as a part of my response that we all obviously already knew that. You have turned it into a much bigger thing than it otherwise would have been.
i was not bothered. you said his post was condescending, which it wasn't imo.
Old Dec 2, 2024 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
Paid $2.24 yesterday.

Are you running 87 in your truck or your BMW?
In the truck. Despite being relatively high compression, the coyote can run on 87 octane. The BMW only gets premium(which unfortunately is the crappy ACN91 out here).
Old Dec 2, 2024 | 12:23 PM
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@Striker223 that link just goes to TireRack.com for me. Which tires were they?

Pirelli P7 Cinturato all season AO (Audi original)
Old Dec 2, 2024 | 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
mmarshall's account of history as he understands it is not condescension, even if you already know it.



i've seen tons of posts from many people on here (including you, lol) stating the obvious or things many of us already know.
add him to your ignore list perhaps?



nice bmw on the left.



why on earth would all that turbo heat vent straight into the hood? shouldn't it be vented outside?



at 4c/mi in my ev, i guess that equates to $1.20 for a 30mpg car.
When you shutdown there isn't really any airflow beyond the main fans and afterrun water pumps, his car may have an airflow path going past the turbos so that they don't full on cook and that was the open path.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
@Striker223 that link just goes to TireRack.com for me. Which tires were they?
Cinturato P7s, they have them on clearance for $450 a set right now due to being 2021 production code. I remember you praised the brand for how quiet they are so it got my attention...
Old Dec 2, 2024 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna


nice bmw on the left.







at 4c/mi in my ev, i guess that equates to $1.20 for a 30mpg car.



I was filling up the Prius…50mpg. The BMW gets over 30mpg😁


Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
In the truck. Despite being relatively high compression, the coyote can run on 87 octane. The BMW only gets premium(which unfortunately is the crappy ACN91 out here).
I watched a video last night. Downpipe and 93/E🌽 blend tune will put down around 500hp and 600 torque. Sooooo tempting!!🥺 I’ve never been so hesitant on voiding a warranty!!
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Originally Posted by AJT123
But it is. Just the way it goes and stops with no fuss, absolutely none. That's how luxury cars are. I'm not saying it's an S-Class or anything in those categories. Since we are comparing vehicles, I'm' not talking about the Denali.... Escalade V since we are talking about 150k RRs.
They are just nothing alike, they drive completely different as their mass and shape and totally different design would indicate of course they would.

Yes, and it was pretty bad but they've ironed that out for the most part. But watch, this one will last 20+ years just like the old 2003 I had.
Thats a guess, and Range Rovers are also much better than they used to be. I know lots of people with modern RRs and they are fine, I would buy a current gen RR without hesitation. Certainly as potentially reliable as my S Class...which nobody would consider especially reliable.

Right and I don't care for unibody SUVs, so that's out. I want a truck. So I'm willing to overlook the RRs advantage in being more car-like. I'd rather have Escalade V like I said.
Theres nothing wrong with that, but that doesn't mean that a truck like an Escalade (V or non V) is more like a luxury sedan than a Range Rover, which is in design much more similar. Thats all I'm saying. A big truck like an Escalade or a Yukon Denali has its own appeal, that appeals to you and it doesn't appeal to me...what I am arguing with is you saying a big BOF SUV like an Escalade drives like a luxury sedan, it doesn't in any way shape or form. They are completely different vehicles in every way.

Ask yourself this, if they truly did drive and feel the same, why would you want a BOF truck vs a unibody vehicle? You want the BOF truck because you like how it drives and feels over a unibody vehicle. So...logically it must be different...

Are you kidding me? Corvettes, about 4-6 Cadillacs, the old Camaros that are dead.... GM is known for having among the world's best chassis tuning, for about 10-15 years. I can't believe you've never read that anywhere over the years. People say that the GM cars on the great platforms drive like old BMWs which is a very good thing. I think one of the really good platforms was called "Alpha".
I'm being totally honest with you, I have never heard anybody say that GM is known for being amongst the worlds best chassis tuning until you said it right now. They have models that are very good, but to make a statement like "GM has the world's best chassis tuning" especially when discussing a BOF Yukon is absurd to me.

Has anybody else here ever heard GM as a brand lauded as having the world's best chassis tuning? Anybody? Better than Porsche? Come on.

Lol let me write a check and run down there.... I wish lol. Does it have the 48V system?
No 48v system on the V12, thats why you can't get ABC etc.

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Cinturato P7s, they have them on clearance for $450 a set right now due to being 2021 production code. I remember you praised the brand for how quiet they are so it got my attention...
I wouldn't get those, pay extra and get the P7 A/S 3s.

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Originally Posted by Stroock639
damn 0W-20 for the twin turbo V8? what sort of progress was made to allow for that? mine calls for 40 weight oil haha... that S580 engine must be very efficient at extracting and managing heat
I was wondering about this too. Mercedes doesn't specify a weight oil, they specify a spec. My S560 always had 229.5 5W40 used. This says they used 229.71 spec 0W20 oil on the S580. I wonder if they used the right oil...
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Originally Posted by AJT123
But it is. Just the way it goes and stops with no fuss, absolutely none. That's how luxury cars are. I'm not saying it's an S-Class or anything in those categories. Since we are comparing vehicles, I'm' not talking about the Denali.... Escalade V since we are talking about 150k RRs.
a friend of mine has a 2016 (maybe 2017 close enough) denali and it's not even as nice riding as an old avalon let alone a full on FR flagship car, and i've ridden in this since it was new... it jiggles around like a truck and you feel the extra vibrations all throughout

going and stopping is one thing but no high riding BOF SUV can sail through interstate curves at triple digit speeds, hit a bump mid corner and carry on like nothing happened... his yukon is also not particularly quick, it definitely doesn't have the 6.2 or the active dampers, very spacious comfy thing to sit in though lol

in no way whatsoever is it a replacement for specially designed unibody flagship car, the last MDX my parents had feels much more car-like and even that still isn't a replacement... there's a reason the blackwood never took over
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I was wondering about this too. Mercedes doesn't specify a weight oil, they specify a spec. My S560 always had 229.5 5W40 used. This says they used 229.71 spec 0W20 oil on the S580. I wonder if they used the right oil...
yep 229.5 spec for my engine, which technically could be 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, or 5W-40

https://operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com/sheet/229.5

i do 5W-40 since i never use the car when it's that cold and i'd rather prioritize the high temperature protection
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex



I was filling up the Prius…50mpg. The BMW gets over 30mpg😁




I watched a video last night. Downpipe and 93/E🌽 blend tune will put down around 500hp and 600 torque. Sooooo tempting!!🥺 I’ve never been so hesitant on voiding a warranty!!
Just void it lol! Enjoy it to the max, it's a Toyota after all so it won't break
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I was wondering about this too. Mercedes doesn't specify a weight oil, they specify a spec. My S560 always had 229.5 5W40 used. This says they used 229.71 spec 0W20 oil on the S580. I wonder if they used the right oil...
They should have used something ending in 40, just because they change the spec doesn't mean the engine requirement actually changed. See examples from Range Rover and Hyundai....

The specs they recommend usually revolve around CAFE standards, I look at areas that don't have that to see what the engineers actually think you should use or the same engine in performance application. Bearing tolerance, loading, flow rate etc is where you should really look to judge what oil to use.

I would be very weary with a 20 weight recommendation with the power density your engine has and heat loading....every 20* over 210 drops oil weight by 5 effective. FRS/BRZ/86 drivers who tracked them found that out the hard way since the factory spec is too thin to survive heat loading at the bearings even with oil sump temps showing reasonable numbers.

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Originally Posted by Stroock639
yep 229.5 spec for my engine, which technically could be 0W-30, 5W-30, 0W-40, or 5W-40

https://operatingfluids.mercedes-benz.com/sheet/229.5

i do 5W-40 since i never use the car when it's that cold and i'd rather prioritize the high temperature protection
Pick via HTHS if you want that, some 0w-40s have a distinct advantage there over the 5w versions and they will flow faster on initial start as well. The best 0w-40s have a flow rate matching or exceeding most 0w-30s and that's really helps with cooling and cold flow
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I have my new Yokohama Advan Sports on. They are quieter than the Continental ExtremeContacts but ride quality feels the same. And they still thump when going over reflectors and crosswalk paint.



On smooth roads they are extremely quiet, possibly than the Continentals when they were new. I can hear the engine more when accelerating. On course roads they’re barely any quieter than the old tires though. The other thing I noticed is the steering, it’s much lighter and there’s less resistance now.



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