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At the risk of falling into the "just wait for Version X.X" trap, 14.3 does specifically address the merging issue as well as being generally a lot faster to react along with a lot of other enhancements.


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At the risk of falling into the "just wait for Version X.X" trap, 14.3 does specifically address the merging issue as well as being generally a lot faster to react along with a lot of other enhancements.

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2...401806265?s=20
Putting aside all the bs Elon has spouted regarding FSD over the years, I am sure the engineers actually working on the system are doing their best in good faith to improve it and address as many issues as possible. But since there are infinite dynamic real world scenarios, their efforts are futile. Some technologies simply plateau, for instance speech and hand writing recognition, and FSD is pretty much DOA as far as it's claimed purpose goes.

I wonder where does FSD go from here. The whole autonomous driving hype is pretty much dead, and a bunch of companies have dropped their autonomous driving programs. Tesla has the advantage of having a bunch of loyalists willing to pay for FSD, but as they are becoming more of a mainstream brand, how much longer can they sustain investing in this useless tech?

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Putting aside all the bs Elon has spouted regarding FSD over the years, I am sure the engineers actually working on the system are doing their best in good faith to improve it and address as many issues as possible. But since there are infinite dynamic real world scenarios, their efforts are futile. Some technologies simply plateau, for instance speech and hand writing recognition, and FSD is pretty much DOA as far as it's claimed purpose goes.

I wonder where does FSD go from here. The whole autonomous driving hype is pretty much dead, and a bunch of companies have dropped their autonomous driving programs. Tesla has the advantage of having a bunch of loyalists willing to pay for FSD, but as they are becoming more of a mainstream brand, how much longer can they sustain investing in this useless tech?
A good term for you would be "mom", who most of her life refused to own a car with an automatic transmission (until she could no longer drive a manual) because they wasted gas, made driver's lazy, and will never be as good as a manual, saying all this without ever driving one. Definitely a lot in common with you. Mom

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Putting aside all the bs Elon has spouted regarding FSD over the years, I am sure the engineers actually working on the system are doing their best in good faith to improve it and address as many issues as possible. But since there are infinite dynamic real world scenarios, their efforts are futile. Some technologies simply plateau, for instance speech and hand writing recognition, and FSD is pretty much DOA as far as it's claimed purpose goes.

I wonder where does FSD go from here. The whole autonomous driving hype is pretty much dead, and a bunch of companies have dropped their autonomous driving programs. Tesla has the advantage of having a bunch of loyalists willing to pay for FSD, but as they are becoming more of a mainstream brand, how much longer can they sustain investing in this useless tech?
members here have engaged with you in good faith, but it’s increasingly obvious that you’re not engaging in the same spirit in return and you clearly haven’t experienced the thing you hold such strong opinions about.

regardless, the position you’re trying to articulate simply isn’t borne out by reality. The reality is that despite being a still nascent technology FSD has already reached a level of maturity so far ahead its competition that you could forgive them for giving up, because Tesla isn’t. And with that said:

- if you believe speech and writing recognition have plateaued you clearly are not following the industry. Not only are both continuing to evolve, the pace of change is accelerating with speech in particular seeing massive investment.

- Unsupervised FSD, from both Tesla and others, is already here. The consumer (supervised) version FSD is effectively a fork of the RoboTaxi code base. RoboTaxi runs on a standard Model Y and doesn’t have any additional inputs.

- Tesla is dominant in the US. You might as well be claiming that the search engine industry is dead because Ask Jeeves is no longer in business and you’re choosing to ignore Google.

- Rumors continue that other manufacturers may well become FSD licensees. This would be the smartest play for pretty much everyone else at this point.
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- if you believe speech and writing recognition have plateaued you clearly are not following the industry. Not only are both continuing to evolve, the pace of change is accelerating with speech in particular seeing massive investment..
I don't just believe it, it's observable. Voice commands in any modern car are just as confused and useless as they were in 2008, iphone 17 dictation returns the same word salad as iphone 7. They don't even begin to address accents and mixed languages.

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- Unsupervised FSD, from both Tesla and others, is already here. The consumer (supervised) version FSD is effectively a fork of the RoboTaxi code base. RoboTaxi runs on a standard Model Y and doesn’t have any additional inputs.

- Tesla is dominant in the US. You might as well be claiming that the search engine industry is dead because Ask Jeeves is no longer in business and you’re choosing to ignore Google.

- Rumors continue that other manufacturers may well become FSD licensees. This would be the smartest play for pretty much everyone else at this point.
Lol, this is exact the same koolaid as when Autopilot/FSD were first announced, you're falling for the "fell for it again and again" award.
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...They don't even begin to address accents and mixed languages.
Neither do I. Haha

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I don't just believe it, it's observable. Voice commands in any modern car are just as confused and useless as they were in 2008, iphone 17 dictation returns the same word salad as iphone 7. They don't even begin to address accents and mixed languages.



Lol, this is exact the same koolaid as when Autopilot/FSD were first announced, you're falling for the "fell for it again and again" award.
So when I talk about you not engaging in good faith, a significant part of that is the very obvious reality that you have absolutely no idea about any of these things, and you try to move the goalposts when you get found out. A good example of that would be your unqualified and incorrect statement about speech recognition, and then the attempt to limit it to its deployment in cars, Which is still incorrect.

Others can judge which of us has approached this discussion with integrity and is posting from a position of actual knowledge.
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Originally Posted by swajames
So when I talk about you not engaging in good faith, a significant part of that is the very obvious reality that you have absolutely no idea about any of these things, and you try to move the goalposts when you get found out. A good example of that would be your unqualified and incorrect statement about speech recognition, and then the attempt to limit it to its deployment in cars, Which is still incorrect.

Others can judge which of us has approached this discussion with integrity and is posting from a position of actual knowledge.
Moving the goalposts has longtime been a specialty of FSD advocates. My statements are based based on objective, observable reality, meanwhile your approach is so deeply rooted with such Tesla bias, it's hard to have a productive conversation.
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I've just came back to CL after a four year break, and well before I left there were a ton of Tesla FSD discussions, and I've read the same exact nonsense back then - update xx.xx would fix whatever edge cases, yet it keeps failing the most basic tasks.
you can believe what you want... but if you believe it hasn't improved in the 4 years you were gone from CL, you're just unaware, dunning kruger, or trolling. it's not just 'fanboys' that appreciate it. there's millions of users that appreciate the relief from tedious driving which most driving is these days.

Even when the FSD system was neutered by elimination of a radar for obvious cost cutting reasons, they were somehow spinning it as an improvement for the system to rely on cheap cameras alone. You can say the technology is amazing from the research point of view, but in real world application it is just a gimmick, and will forever stay in perpetual state of being a gimmick. From what I see, in the years since it's launch there hasn't even been a marginal improvement to speak of, as it keeps making the same basic mistakes.
ah yes, believe the trolls, i'm sure you think musk would have bet the company on that 'bad' decision.

and 'from what you see'?



I'm not hating on the tech itself, but it's available to people with IQ below room temperature, and they abuse it and endanger everyone else on the road.
low iq people DRIVE as well, in the millions.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
you can believe what you want... but if you believe it hasn't improved in the 4 years you were gone from CL, you're just unaware, dunning kruger, or trolling. it's not just 'fanboys' that appreciate it. there's millions of users that appreciate the relief from tedious driving which most driving is these days.
There has absolutely not been any meaningful improvement to FSD, or any other similar tech - they picked all the low hanging fruit right off the bat, and now the tech plateaued and whatever little improvements they try to make has little impact in the infinite real world scenarios. At the rate it's going, the tech basically forever stalled in its current state. Uber, Lyft, Ford, GM, Apple, Waymo VIA trucking program have dropped their autonomous driving initiatives, the hype is over and nobody cares about this tech anymore.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/07/26/wa...rucks-program/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argo_AI
https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...xi-2024-12-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/ube...on-2020-12-07/

Ignoring Elon's wild claims, here are some of your pearls from 9.5 years ago, how are your predictions going?





Kids born in 2017 are almost 10 years old, still there will be no point for them to get a driver's license in 2033? I'm sure next FSD update coming out in two weeks will fix all the issues.








And just like a decade ago, the transcribed voice mails are still a word salad that takes a human brain that can recognize context and make sense out of the gibberish.








Damn, I really wish I had one of them intelligent robots, last snow storm this February I was shoveling for 14 hours straight.




Originally Posted by bitkahuna
ah yes, believe the trolls, i'm sure you think musk would have bet the company on that 'bad' decision.

and 'from what you see'?
Elon is a genius conman, unlike his gullible simps he never intended for FSD to become actual full self driving. He just creates hype to attract as much investments as possible, props to him. I'm sure in private him and his buddies are cracking up at all the claims he's made about self driving.


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low iq people DRIVE as well, in the millions.
Yeah, they also vote and post their opinions on the internet, lol. It's hilarious.

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Well that's not at all creepy, obsessive behavior...

My diagnosis: From the evidence available in this thread, it looks like we could reasonably conclude that you''re a recalcitrant, truculent, luddite stalker with a crippling speech impediment.
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