No system is perfect anyone expecting that is an idiot. The real question is how much better than humans does FSD have to be before it's widely accepted? Recently a Waymo hit a child (you didn't hear about this because it wasn't a Tesla) but overall Waymo's are still safer than the average driver.

 

When the robot drives and not the dingus human tires on an EV are just fine.

 

I just will always trust myself before I trust an automated tool like FSD. It’s not perfect, and neither am I. I’d rather be in control myself then to surrender total control to the car.

 

Then Tesla is certainly is not the car for you couldn't be more clear.

 

FSD also seems to use less battery than when I drive, even using Mad Max mode

 

"It handles snow storms perfectly, plenty of videos." Doesn't this mean perfect? I'm honestly confused how else this statement could be interpreted.

More like you have a hard on for FSD claiming it's 100% perfect and you won't pay attention even knowing there is a possibility of it putting yourself, your family and innocent people on the road with you at risk.

 

I heard about it, I'm sure others did too. Was it at 6 mph? And it was because a child ran from behind a tall SUV? Pretty much will happen to anyone or any system. Although, a human may have been able to avoid it if they had observed parents or the kid before he/she got behind the SUV

The debate atleast on my end is that FSD is not at that point yet and I believe you know that too (you haven't said anything to oppose that). If it was like Amirza seems to be claiming, Tesla would already have FSD out of beta, robo taxis running around all over America and Tesla being a 10 trillion dollar company.

 

We get it, FSD bad.

 

I would easily trust FSD if every car on the road was running FSD.

I could see myself trusting a full self driving car eventually but it would take a lot of statistical data by an unbiased source.

 

We get it, FSD perfect. Tesla hasn't deployed it yet because they want to continue struggling to be a profitable company.

 

This is why I stopped discussing with you last time, because you are purposely twisting my words, as I agreed with Mike that it still had 1 percent to go. And I corrected myself with the snow storm. And I'm glad that you are concerned about my well-being of myself and family, but we both know why you care so much, because if I had a modded Mustang GT with 1000 HP that has the potential to crash into a pole or tree, or worse (which happens here all the time) you frankly wouldn't give a crap. And yeah, I do have a hardon for FSD, that's how awesome it is.

I'll tell you what. Experience it yourself, spend an hour with it. If it makes any dangerous mistakes, almost causes an accident, does anything dangerous, just post it here, no videos, I'll take your word for it agree with you that it's dangerous. I've said it publicly, you can always pull up this post as proof. Don't want to, don't have the time, then there is really nothing more to discuss as far as FSD is concerned. No rudeness intended here, I think you are a smart guy, and I think you are honest enough to post the truth, whatever it may be, which is why I'm willing to take your word

 

Well if you're driving the 1000 HP mustang reasonably and paying attention why would I care?

How am I twisting your words when you've claimed multiple times you don't need to be attentive?

I care because you're driving a vehicle without paying attention when it simply isn't ready. How in the world you're arguing against that when you knowingly put other lives at risk is honestly unbelievable.

I'm not sure how many times others will have to say FSD is amazing, arguably the best self driving tech in the world, only thing comes close is Waymo but we all know the drawbacks with Waymo.

FSD is Amazing, I think it's the best driving tech in the world.

Let me repeat...

FSD is Amazing, I think it's the best driving tech in the world.

I don't know how many times I need to say it's amazing. However, it still does not mean you can go in the backseat and sleep or not be attentive. Doing so will put lives at risk. That has been my point from the beginning until now.

It doesn't matter if I use FSD for the next 10,000 miles with zero issues. I would still not trust it since tesla themselves does not trust it. If the company is not willing to accept liability then why should I? They can't even accept liability for summons which should be 1000 folds easier than actual self driving.

If I had a Tesla with FSD I would 100% use it (on local roads).

I'm not sure why it seems like you think I am saying you shouldn't use it and it's dangerous.


Edit:

I'll summarize our stance.

Me: FSD is amazing but you still need to be attentive because Tesla says you need to be.

You: FSD is amazing, I don't need to be attentive.

This is pretty much what we have spent the last 5-10 post arguing. Seems silly imo.

 

Yea I wonder where he got that impression.
You are so quick to judge, I'm sure you drive flawlessly and never get distracted are never tired and never do anything wrong.

 

I mean you can quote what I said to give that impression. All I've been arguing is you need to pay attention because sh*t still happens.

If you have actually read what I said many post ago I literally said the safest driver on the road is probably somebody using FSD WHILE paying attention. You can scroll up, it's there.

So I made that claim several post ago and somehow I'm giving the impression that FSD shouldn't be used? Please explain that to me like I'm 5.


EDIT:
Proof of what I said a few posts ago.

 

Ok I'm again glad that you are concerned, and you cleared that part up, FSD forces you to be attentive. Relaxed, but your eyes still have to be on the road. If I look down for more than 5 seconds, I get an alert, and it gets more annoying if you ignore it. Same if I close my eyes. On certain stretches of road, like mountain roads, it will force you to more attentive, and if there is any visual impairment like bad fog or other bad weather, it will slow down to a very low speed and even force you to take control. So there is no way to get around this.

Yes I am sometimes too relaxed and in my own world, and I agree until it reaches the so called "100 percent" (there will never be a 100 percent) I should be more vigilant. Now as far as dangerous mistakes, in my case it hasn't made any in the last two months I've used it. Doesn't mean it won't, but hasn't yet. Last big mistake it made on an older version was changing lanes near an upcoming right turn trying to get around slower cars, missed the right turn and had to go left instead, making me lose 10 minutes. Never did it again