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Old Today | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
The EVs are banned because they are far ahead of what is coming out of Detroit in the EV space. No comparison!!! If this EV came to the US, it would force greater competition by US manufacturers to up their game in the EV space
Well, Tesla just took the sales lead back from BYD in Q1, despite the Commie government of China throwing money at BYD and the US government taking away subsidies. So, obviously, there is a comparison.

But you live in Canukistan and they are importing those Chinese shitboxes. If you love them so much and they are so "far ahead", go buy one for yourself while you wallow in your anti-American hate. Nobody cares.
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Well, Tesla just took the sales lead back from BYD in Q1, despite the Commie government of China throwing money at BYD and the US government taking away subsidies. So, obviously, there is a comparison.
American companies can absolutely build these types of cars that are superior to gas made cars in the US that nobody wants outside of NA. Just look what Buick offers in China vs their inferior gas stuff in the US. The irony is that 3/4 of those Buick products originate from Asia as it is.

GM and Ford would be able to make these EVs if China tariffs were removed and they could import them.

Good for Tesla, that is great. But they slowing down and have lost their two made in America products that once defined the industry.

US government taking away subsidies
Big mistake for the US to remove the subsidies. Huge mistake

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Haven't had a chance to watch this yet. On my list
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that's doug demuro and jason cammisa... 2 serious enthusiasts.

tl;dr - they're not saying you can't have fun ice cars. they are saying ev's are better transportation. qed.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
that's doug demuro and jason cammisa... 2 serious enthusiasts.

It's many of these so-called "enthusiast" reviewers, who are primarily interested in low 0-60 times and high-G cornering,nthat have given us today's low-profile tires, giant wheels, stiff suspensions, expensive wheel/tire-replacements, turbo-engines, stiff unyielding seats, and a number of vehicles that ride like Go-karts. The industry, to a large extent, has listened to them, because they have so much influence on You-Tube and in the auto-magazines, rather than to the average Ma-and-Pa drivers, who are looking mostly for comfort, reliability, and utility.

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It's many of these so-called "enthusiast" reviewers, who are primarily interested in low 0-60 times and high-G cornering,nthat have given us today's low-profile tires, giant wheels, stiff suspensions, expensive wheel/tire-replacements, turbo-engines, stiff unyielding seats, and a number of vehicles that ride like Go-karts. The industry, to a large extent, has listened to them, because they have so much influence on You-Tube and in the auto-magazines, rather than to the average Ma-and-Pa drivers, who are looking mostly for comfort, reliability, and utility.
sure, except all the evidence says otherwise, as in why the top selling cars are camry's corolla's rav4's and the like.
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sure, except all the evidence says otherwise, as in why the top selling cars are camry's corolla's rav4's and the like.

......problem is....even THEY are not as comfort-oriented as they once were. I can remember, in the 90s, driving a Camry (or an Avalon) was, IMO, a true pleasure. Today's Camrys, IMHO, are more like sport-sedans.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It's many of these so-called "enthusiast" reviewers, who are primarily interested in low 0-60 times and high-G cornering,nthat have given us today's low-profile tires, giant wheels, stiff suspensions, expensive wheel/tire-replacements, turbo-engines, stiff unyielding seats, and a number of vehicles that ride like Go-karts. The industry, to a large extent, has listened to them, because they have so much influence on You-Tube and in the auto-magazines, rather than to the average Ma-and-Pa drivers, who are looking mostly for comfort, reliability, and utility.
Yeah then why don't most people own those cars you just described? Last time I looked the best selling cars were Model Y, 3, Camry, Corolla and RAV4
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
......problem is....even THEY are not as comfort-oriented as they once were. I can remember, in the 90s, driving a Camry (or an Avalon) was, IMO, a true pleasure. Today's Camrys, IMHO, are more like sport-sedans.
There is truth to this giant wheels and super low profile tires have become the norm for reasons that escape me, styling I guess?
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Yeah then why don't most people own those cars you just described? Last time I looked the best selling cars were Model Y, 3, Camry, Corolla and RAV4
The folks that keep the lights on for most legacy makers are vehicles that blend in to the background. Life is already daunting, make sure the tool that gets the owner and their family from place a to place b just works at a moments notice.

RWD, magnesium space frame, etc etc really does not matter. Having Carplay and comfy seats does.
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Originally Posted by coolsaber
The folks that keep the lights on for most legacy makers are vehicles that blend in to the background. Life is already daunting, make sure the tool that gets the owner and their family from place a to place b just works at a moments notice.

RWD, magnesium space frame, etc etc really does not matter. Having Carplay and comfy seats does.
Exactly 👍
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True.

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Why did Ferrari think people who want an EV and a Ferrari want a jelly bean?



https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-luce
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Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
American companies can absolutely build these types of cars that are superior to gas made cars in the US that nobody wants outside of NA. Just look what Buick offers in China vs their inferior gas stuff in the US. The irony is that 3/4 of those Buick products originate from Asia as it is.
An American company already does. And Buick isn't exactly anybody's model for the future.

Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
GM and Ford would be able to make these EVs if China tariffs were removed and they could import them.
If that is such a wonderful idea, why doesn't China allow US companies to import US made vehicles without high tariffs?

Originally Posted by Toys4RJill
Good for Tesla, that is great. But they slowing down and have lost their two made in America products that once defined the industry.
Yeah, part of the issue was increasing government safety regulations that were going to force complete redesigns. Made it an easy decision to reallocate those resources to other products.

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Big mistake for the US to remove the subsidies. Huge mistake
Is it a huge mistake for China too? Looks like they are figuring out the government can't drown companies in money forever too. Not to mention, we heard the same line of crap about hybrids, and they are mainstream now. If anything, the government need to get out of the way. They have done more than enough. State governments are more than welcome to issue more incentives if they wish. If it is really a great idea, all the states will pick it up and implement the same.

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Originally Posted by coolsaber
Why did Ferrari think people who want an EV and a Ferrari want a jelly bean?



https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/auto/ferrari-luce
The ultimate polished turd. Check out this joker how much did Ferrari pay him to say he loves the looks lmao

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