General EV Conversation
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I shake my gas nozzle every time I pump. I wonder what the guy behind me thinking. But I shake not because I want to get every drop out but because I don't want any drop to get on my paint. Lol
So you're saying it. 
But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
Let me rephrase. BMW EV'S out sold the Model Y in Europe this quarter
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
https://insideevs.com/news/731043/bm...s-europe-july/
Yes, even at 25 percent of new sales, EV'S have a long way to catch up
But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US. 
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I shake my gas nozzle every time I pump. I wonder what the guy behind me thinking. But I shake not because I want to get every drop out but because I don't want any drop to get on my paint. Lol
So you're saying it. But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
So you're saying it.
But you're right. EVs still have a long way to catch up because they lack features that have been available on ICE. They probably will never in our lifetime. It didn't surprise me that BMW EVs outsold MY in Europe because of the price differences. If Tesla didn't drop their prices in US, they wouldn't have been where they are at. For the current prices and incentives, MY and M3 are a bargain. So it's expected they outsell the rest in the US.
There are still more buyers that want things like buttons and *****, fobs and start buttons. And there are buyers that want luxury, and of course, there are buyers that still want an Internal Combustion Engine with all the gears and sounds etc. Tesla satisfies one particular niche, the all around family/commuter/trip car that's fairly inexpensive, reliable and yes, fun. I think I can safely say that if you live in an area with lots of charging and have the ability to charge at home and are in the market for a Camry, Accord, Civic, Rav4 etc and you don't buy a Tesla, I feel bad for you.Price cuts are a huge reason people started buying Tesla's, there's no denying that. And as far as BMW giving Tesla competition, I think that's a good thing for the market and buyers
Sobering quote:
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
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Sobering quote:
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
CL Community Team
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Oh, I'm definitely saying it There are still more buyers that want things like buttons and *****, fobs and start buttons. And there are buyers that want luxury, and of course, there are buyers that still want an Internal Combustion Engine with all the gears and sounds etc. Tesla satisfies one particular niche, the all around family/commuter/trip car that's fairly inexpensive, reliable and yes, fun. I think I can safely say that if you live in an area with lots of charging and have the ability to charge at home and are in the market for a Camry, Accord, Civic, Rav4 etc and you don't buy a Tesla, I feel bad for you.
There are still more buyers that want things like buttons and *****, fobs and start buttons. And there are buyers that want luxury, and of course, there are buyers that still want an Internal Combustion Engine with all the gears and sounds etc. Tesla satisfies one particular niche, the all around You certainly have a valid point but you don't need to feel bad for me. 
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. And I totally disagree. The Model Y has been a great family and trip car, in fact one of the best I've owned. The Sienna is only slightly better because of all the extra space. My daughter just took it for a trip to SoCal for the weekend
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Sobering quote:
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
"If every new car sold in the world in 2035 were electric, oil demand in 2050 would still be 85 million barrels per day. That's the same as it was in 2010."
https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-G...ly-Crisis.html
The financial burden should be on companies to develop solutions and get government grants not increasing energy costs, gas prices and banning gas cars and stoves.
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Unfortunately all this “going green nonsense” is just a hidden tax on general public with zero accountability where the investment is going.
The financial burden should be on companies to develop solutions and get government grants not increasing energy costs, gas prices and banning gas cars and stoves.
The financial burden should be on companies to develop solutions and get government grants not increasing energy costs, gas prices and banning gas cars and stoves.
Racer
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The reports are actually saying that the next S-Class EV and ICE will still be on separate platforms, just that they'll more or less look the same on the outside.
Benz made a bizarre miscalculation in their research thinking that cab-forward Civic look would be appealing to the Chinese market when in reality it doesn't appeal to anyone. Though if I'm being honest, this is also a reflection of the fact that like other Asian countries, the Chinese are now preferring their own domestic makes instead of foreign OEM's and so there's less and less incentive to invest in the Chinese market and appeal to Chinese tastes compared to even 5 years ago.
Benz made a bizarre miscalculation in their research thinking that cab-forward Civic look would be appealing to the Chinese market when in reality it doesn't appeal to anyone. Though if I'm being honest, this is also a reflection of the fact that like other Asian countries, the Chinese are now preferring their own domestic makes instead of foreign OEM's and so there's less and less incentive to invest in the Chinese market and appeal to Chinese tastes compared to even 5 years ago.
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If Norway can get to 90% + new vehicle sales being EV then there is no excuse for the rest of us. China will likely be at 45% by the end of 2024. United States should be very concerned, lagging behind means giving Chinese auto makers even more time to refine their technology and drive costs down. Tariffs won't save you in the long term.