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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 05:54 AM
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EVs dominant at Pike's Peak this year. Fastest climb was in a modified F-150 Lightning. Fantastic showings from Hyundai and Rivian as well. The Ford was competing in the Open division and the Hyundais and Rivian were in the Exhibition division

Modified Ioniq 5N set the record for fastest modified vehicle (beating a modified Plaid!)
R1T with the new Quad motors set the record for fastest unmodified truck
Stock Ioniq 5N set the record for fastest unmodified / stock vehicle (beating the R1T that just ran by 4 seconds)
Modified F150 Lightning took the top overall spot


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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
it's the replies, not his post. moreover, *EVERYONE* i speak to not on here has NO INTEREST in an ev. they think it's too risky, too much hassle, too weird (tesla), etc, etc. they might get a hybrid, but that's it.
i know we all love them, but i just think there's huge resistance.
The people who reply are the people that follow him, so that doesn’t really tell you anything. You also live in FL where it doesn’t surprise me that people you talk to have no interest in EVs. Many many people I talk to have lots of interest in EVs, in fact I was just in NJ and my brother in law and I talked about EVs for an hour because he’s looking to electrify all of their cars, one full EV And two PHEVs out of 3 gas cars. I can name 3 people I know who just within the last 30 days replaced their ICE cars with EVs.

The huge resistance is largely political. Politically I am in a place where people want EVs and you’re in a place where politically they don’t. That’s all it is. People where you are will be much slower to convert for sure but they will.

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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 06:45 AM
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when the husband is excited about his new ev, and the wife craps all over it. LOLOL

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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The people who reply are the people that follow him, so that doesn’t really tell you anything.
i didn't know anything about him but looks like he's a swedish conservative journalist? anyway, you're probably right there.

You also live in FL where it doesn’t surprise me that people you talk to have no interest in EVs.
very narrow cliché view of florida. a) i talk to people all over the world, and b) i talk to people in FL of ALL political leanings. no interest. at all. curiosity, but not ready to buy.

Many many people I talk to have lots of interest in EVs, in fact I was just in NJ and my brother in law and I talked about EVs for an hour because he’s looking to electrify all of their cars, one full EV And two PHEVs out of 3 gas cars.
so only 1 ev out of 3 cars. not a ringing endorsement. also nj has (or had) state ev incentives, so that helps. what is driving his interest? environmentalism? saving money on gas? something else?
as you probably know, phev's are hard to get, and the additional cost will likely never be made back.

The huge resistance is largely political. ... People where you are will be much slower to convert for sure but they will.
i don't think it's 'largely political'. some of it may simply be demographics, in that i'm older than you and probably talk to more people nearer my age and many of them will likely never get an ev (very change resistant).
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 07:32 AM
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No sales tax on EVs in NJ is a huge savings
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
when the husband is excited about his new ev, and the wife craps all over it. LOLOL

https://youtu.be/g14qx-S_UMc?si=4RzwbYaNOlu5NCGj
This "appears" to be a click bait video...😄

He didn't talk to/get approval from his wife before he bought the car?
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
*EVERYONE* i speak to not on here has NO INTEREST in an ev. they think it's too risky, too much hassle, too weird (tesla), etc, etc. they might get a hybrid, but that's it.
i know we all love them, but i just think there's huge resistance.
I work for a large tech company. Almost everyone I talk to at work is very much interested in EV's and what they're all about. It's the people with little tech knowledge that I find hesitant to change. It's been that way with everything tech related throughout the years, but EV's do have a very high political connotation associated to them. Are you talking with people who live in The Villages? LOL
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
it's the replies, not his post. moreover, *EVERYONE* i speak to not on here has NO INTEREST in an ev. they think it's too risky, too much hassle, too weird (tesla), etc, etc. they might get a hybrid, but that's it.
i know we all love them, but i just think there's huge resistance.

Tell us something we don't already know 🤣. There are people today who would rather their kids get measles than the vaccine because they believe they are being experimented on or chips are being implemented in them. I personally can care less what they want to drive
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
i didn't know anything about him but looks like he's a swedish conservative journalist? anyway, you're probably right there.



very narrow cliché view of florida. a) i talk to people all over the world, and b) i talk to people in FL of ALL political leanings. no interest. at all. curiosity, but not ready to buy.



so only 1 ev out of 3 cars. not a ringing endorsement. also nj has (or had) state ev incentives, so that helps. what is driving his interest? environmentalism? saving money on gas? something else?
as you probably know, phev's are hard to get, and the additional cost will likely never be made back.



i don't think it's 'largely political'. some of it may simply be demographics, in that i'm older than you and probably talk to more people nearer my age and many of them will likely never get an ev (very change resistant).
Let's put politics aside, sure there is a huge resistance to EV's from all sectors, the same way there was a huge resistance moving to automobiles from horse buggies, to industrialization (remember the Luddites?), to personal computers. My mom was the perfect example, it took not only heaven and earth, but her old 386 running Win 95 to die a horrible death before we could get her on a newer computer running Window XP and MS office. Even then she fought tooth and nail and was willing to pay anybody large sums of money to repair her old computer so she could type using an old 16-bit Word program that only ran on DOS, Win 3.1, or Win 95.

People have a fundamental misunderstanding about EV's, mostly from misinformation fed to them from guys like this. Once people start getting hands on experience, non Tesla charging infrastructure becomes more robust, people will realize they have been lied to. All the people I know who had Blackberries resisted smartphones for years, until they couldn't, and if you ask those same people if they would trade their smartphones for a Blackberry, they would think you were mad
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike728
It's the people with little tech knowledge that I find hesitant to change.
absolutely agree. and that's 95% of people, lol.

Are you talking with people who live in The Villages? LOL
haha, i only know 1 person there, ha, but i talk to people from everywhere.

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Let's put politics aside, sure there is a huge resistance to EV's from all sectors, the same way there was a huge resistance moving to automobiles from horse buggies, to industrialization (remember the Luddites?), to personal computers.
agreed!

Once people start getting hands on experience, non Tesla charging infrastructure becomes more robust, people will realize they have been lied to.
'lied to' might be a bit strong, there's misconceptions and exaggerations. yes some lies about ev's causing more pollution (absurd), and always the range paranoia, but it's just going to take a number of years for people to be open to checking them out. for most boomers though, likely not going to happen, unless there becomes a giant financial and/or convenience reason to do so.
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Old Jun 24, 2024 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike728
I work for a large tech company. Almost everyone I talk to at work is very much interested in EV's and what they're all about. It's the people with little tech knowledge that I find hesitant to change. It's been that way with everything tech related throughout the years, but EV's do have a very high political connotation associated to them. Are you talking with people who live in The Villages? LOL
I think it just varies on so many factors with people, I don't think there is a common thread. For example, my mom and my mother-in-law are the same age (upper 60's). When we are out of town and have someone here to keep our kids, my Mom will not drive the Tesla. She'll only drive our gas SUV or her car. She is intimidated by it, but for no real reason (I've been with her before when she drove it). My mother-in-law on the other hand loves it and wants to drive it all the time.

It's more about their personality types. My mother in law is very active, very open to trying new things. My mom is more cautious and more set in her ways and not open to trying new things for "fear" of something going wrong.

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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
absolutely agree. and that's 95% of people, lol.



haha, i only know 1 person there, ha, but i talk to people from everywhere.



agreed!



'lied to' might be a bit strong, there's misconceptions and exaggerations. yes some lies about ev's causing more pollution (absurd), and always the range paranoia, but it's just going to take a number of years for people to be open to checking them out. for most boomers though, likely not going to happen, unless there becomes a giant financial and/or convenience reason to do so.
Lets just say that some of what I hear from people on why they don't want an EV can be frustrating, because it's not based on the facts and many times on half truths. I understand if you have no way to charge at home, or you have no charging infrastructure where you live, or you tow long distances, than it's perfectly understandable. But if you live where I live, than most of the reasons people give are completely based on misinformation. Usually when I let people drive either my Tesla or Polestar, and I tell them about all the trips I've made in the Y to SoCal, you see the fire has been lit.

But the biggest thing that needs to be addressed right now is non Tesla charging infrastructure. It needs to not only be built out more, but it needs to be reliable, and needs to be cheap. For Tesla owners, our needs have been pretty much met, for Legacy EV's to be successful, Infrastructure is still the biggest challenge

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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
I think it just varies on so many factors with people, I don't think there is a common thread. For example, my mom and my mother-in-law are the same age (upper 60's). When we are out of town and have someone here to keep our kids, my Mom will not drive the Tesla. She'll only drive our gas SUV or her car. She is intimidated by it, but for no real reason (I've been with her before when she drove it). My mother-in-law on the other hand loves it and wants to drive it all the time.

It's more about their personality types. My mother in law is very active, very open to trying new things. My mom is more cautious and more set in her ways and not open to trying new things for "fear" of something going wrong.
Your mom sounds like my mom. She would never drive one of my EV's if she was alive today. My dad probably would, he never was a passenger in my Tesla (he passed away a few days before it was delivered), but he was a passenger in my Polestar several times and liked it
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
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very narrow cliché view of florida. a) i talk to people all over the world, and b) i talk to people in FL of ALL political leanings. no interest. at all. curiosity, but not ready to buy.
Thats the exact opposite of my experience. The only explanation of that is that we just are surrounded by different populations.

so only 1 ev out of 3 cars. not a ringing endorsement. also nj has (or had) state ev incentives, so that helps. what is driving his interest? environmentalism? saving money on gas? something else?
as you probably know, phev's are hard to get, and the additional cost will likely never be made back.
It makes perfect sense, as you know a full EV is not ideal for travel, but it is great for everyday use. The other two cars they have they travel in, and as I said he wants to replace them with PHEVs.

His interest is driven by wanting an EV, wanting to reduce the cost of fuel and also he's in the clean energy business and not having hybrids and EVs is a credibility issue. Cost isn't a factor for him.

I don't think it's 'largely political'. some of it may simply be demographics, in that i'm older than you and probably talk to more people nearer my age and many of them will likely never get an ev (very change resistant).
It is really political, which doesn't make sense to me but it is what it is. Definitely also has to do with age.
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