Those stops are optimized to make you're trip faster while being conservative. It's a trade off, but for a superior driving experience, as you can see we are willing to make it and adjust. I've been doing it since 2022, and I'll happily continue to. Plus I only make maybe 3 long trips a year

 

Every car is a compromise. I decided I needed something that was fuel efficient and fun, so I bought a 2018 Civic Si. Good gas mileage and decent performance. But it was moody, heat soaked in the summer and wasn't very comfortable, especially driving it in traffic and had the crappiest infotainment system, Android Auto constantly crashed. I tuned it to get more power out of it's 1.5L turbocharged engine, but then I had to upgrade the intercooler as it generated more heat. I realized after a little over a year that it just wasn't the car for me, so I sold it and bought an IS350, which I loved. The compromise here was now my gasoline bill doubled, as well as maint costs. In the almost 4 years I owned it I easily spent over $2500 in maint, two sets of tires and brakes/rotors. I went from 35 MPG to 19 MPG, but the compromise was well worth it to get better performance and comfort.

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Back to EV's/hybrid/PHEV's. For most people, BEV's would fulfil 90 percent of their needs. Hybrids and PHEV's are a compromise, but the same IMO as the compromise between my Si and IS350. BEV's biggest compromise is their more limited range as compared to ICE/hybrid, but as you can see from all the BEV owners on this forum, it's one that only creeps up when going on trips. A better compromise for me is holding on to my 2013 Sienna, although we've only used it maybe 3 or 4 times in the last two years, and that's because we needed more than 5 seats.

Just one more thing. Between 2010 and 2021, I travelled to our San Antonio TX office at least 3 or 4 times a year. Since I was the Director of IT, each time I went out there, in most cases I rented either a Mustang GT, Charger RT/SRT, or the Cadillac CTS with the 3.6L TT or similar. After COVID hit, there was a shortage of cars, and on one trip I ended up with Rav4 hybrid. It wasn't bad, fairly comfortable, and in a four day stay I didn't have to visit a gas station, but give me the Mustang, Charger or Cadillac any day of the week and I'll compromise the gas station visits

 

It's both the best and the worst of both. As with everything in life, you weigh the options and do what's best for YOU. In our situation, a PHEV would just have negative value. We have a BEV to drive the majority of the time, and an ICE for when we feel the charging infrastructure isn't ready for the trip. It might make more sense for us to sell the ICE and rent something for that once a year trip, though.

 

My PHEV 0-60 is 5.4

The PHEV Volvo XC90 hits 0-60 in 4.5

The PHEV BMW X5 hit 0-60 in 3.9

 

My R1S is 0-60 in 3 seconds and seats 7

And it doesn't require an ICE engine to supplement it

 

My Polestar hits 0-60 in 3.7 seconds. My Model Y in 4.6, and probably similar for our Ioniq 5. I'm pretty sure you would be seeing the tails of all three of my cars, as certainly several BMW's, WRX's etc. Road conditions don't matter, wet, slippery, same launch everytime

 

Here's a drag race between Prius Prime, Mazda 3 Turbo, and WRX. I can smoke all three without breaking a sweat

 

In your situation, I drive my PHEV in EV mode daily. In 17k miles maybe 15k of those miles are all EV. Whenever we take a trip, I use gas. It’s as simple as that. No planning or renting.

How many of you prior to owning an EV actually sat down and planned out your gas stops prior to roadtrips? How many times have you gotten on civicX forum and planned out your fuel stops?

Even if I owned a BEV I wouldn’t dare take it on a roadtrip. It would be an in town commuter car only because that’s where it’s best at.

I can’t comprehend to compromise spending hrs stopping to charge on roadtrips especially if I had a gas vehicle I can drive instead.

My friend who has a MYLR often comes to visit (210 miles). Prior to having an EV in a gas vehicle he would make that drive non stop. Now with his EV, he’s ok with making the 1 stop to charge on that same drive. It’s normal to him. He took a google maps calculated 10hr roadtrip in his MYLR and it took him 13hrs due to charging. I told him prior to that trip he should book a flight.

An EV on a roadtrip isn’t a compromise I’m willing to make.

 

I never plan out a trip. I just plan the day I'm going, and I just go Why would I need to plan?

You're actually way more overthinking this than I do

 

You buy what meets your needs. If I had to tow, I wouldn't buy an EV. If I liked to take roadtrips, I wouldn't buy an EV. I prefer to spend more time at my location vs. driving there so I will opt to fly over driving 5+ hours.

That said, I'm headed from NJ to Boston for Thanksgiving this year (we plan ahead ) and I took 10 minutes to 1) find a hotel I liked that had EV charging and 2) see if there was fast charging along the way. The tradeoff for that 10 minutes of planning is having an 835HP daily driver that is a legitimate joy to drive and cost me pennies per day to charge

 

^^^There you go.^^^ If you think an EV doesn't meet your needs, like to drive straight 600 mile stretches, tow, than we can safely assume a BEV is not for those people. Nobody here's going to judge

 

If performance was that important to you, you would daily the polestar instead of your MYLR.

Can you smoke the PHEV Panamera & Cayenne without a sweat 😥

 

I'm actually going to start dailying the Polestar soon, probably from next month, but that said, the Model Y is not that far behind in performance. If I got the Performance upgrade, it would be faster than the Polestar.

Nope, can't smoke them, but I could keep pace with them until about maybe 80 mph. Also, the Polestar was just around $50k, is "sporty" but not a sports car, while the Panamera & Cayenne are over $100k

Let me get into a Model S Plaid, then their a s s e s are mine

 

What do you call this☝️? Isn’t this called a “trip planner” on your screen? You go to https://www.tesla.com/trips and plan your trips

Did you do the same in your Sienna or any gas vehicle you’ve taken a trip in?

 

Now you're nitpicking. Takes 5 seconds out of my day to put it in the maps. And yes, if I were driving to Arizona in my Sienna, I would use Google maps, and I would map out gas stations because it goes through a desolate desert highway where you are in the middle of nowhere