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How much of that 6 hours would be spent on coffee/food/washroom breaks?
I subtracted 45 minutes for gas stops, so that would be pretty much it. My wife would probably prefer making more stops, but adding 6 hours would require another night in a hotel on the way down.
Our long trips are once a year, as we've been out searching for places to retire. Those are pretty much all of the miles we have on our ICE since we bought it. I bought it for towing, since it has a 7,500 lb capacity, but have yet to do that. I've driven hybrids and can't stand the way they drive. A PHEV is better for people that are not ready to jump in with both feet, which I get. I'm not a toe dipper.
I am still contemplating selling the truck and picking up a Model 3 Performance once they come out. At that point, I would have to weigh the option of renting something for really long trips, vs the added time needed to charge. It wouldn't be the end of the world either way.
Just curious, which BEV's have you driven and when? I never thought I would own one until it was the only option. Then I made the mistake of test driving the Tesla and now I have a hard time wanting to drive anything else.
I'm with you on long trips, anywhere outside of Cali and I would fly. But if you live where I live, there are so many chargers that you would literally spend no more than 20 minutes at a charger. Pull in, plug in and head to the bathroom to do your business, and by the time you get back your are almost ready to unplug and leave. Last trip to SoCal (390 miles each way), I spent no more than 30 minutes total charging. Two stops, first stop was 12 minutes and second was 18 minutes. And if there is a power outage, the Tesla charger stations have backup generators
Just curious, which BEV's have you driven and when? I never thought I would own one until it was the only option. Then I made the mistake of test driving the Tesla and now I have a hard time wanting to drive anything else.
Driven my youngest brother's Tesla maybe 3 times (?), ridden a few more times with him. My brother was really into it when he first got it (was excitedly showing me the plug, and the wall chargers he installed and everything), but he's moved on. When I said I was buying a new car, he didn't even volunteer that I get a Tesla. My other brother did just get a Kia EV9 though (I have never driven it as he's in IL), and said I should not get a pure ICE (which i was happy to agree with).
I don't like the spare look of the Tesla inside, and I think that big screen that controls everything with almost no other physical controls around is a safety hazard. I was very impressed with the software on it though, but my current PHEV has the same whiz bang tech, so no loss.
Nowadays, after doing research and knowing more about them, I would not get a BEV at this point not only because of the range anxiety, but because of their disposable nature (you bang one and huge expensive battery is damaged and they are a total loss), really bad resale value, probable reliability concerns over time, and high insurance and repair costs.
However, if things change and I do get a backup BEV car, I will likely get one from Toyota/Lexus. Best manufacturer around.
I subtracted 45 minutes for gas stops, so that would be pretty much it. My wife would probably prefer making more stops, but adding 6 hours would require another night in a hotel on the way down.
Where are you headed? Just for grins, I plugged in Chicago NW suburbs to Corpus Christi, which is about 1300 miles. Abetterrouteplanner tells me 2 hours, 20 minutes of total charge time for an EV6, or 1 hour, 55 minutes for a Model Y. Total trip time is about 60 miles and 4 hours longer (24 hrs vs. 20) than what Google Maps says, but of course that's for a car (and occupants) that can get there without ever stopping for any reason.
If I were doing it in two days, I'd probably put the longer day first, which is 12 hours, 40 minutes inclusive of charging, but not of any additional downtime, and stop in Tulsa, OK for the night. Staying overnight there "eliminates" the longest single charging stop (32 minutes) of the entire journey. Then about 11 hours inclusive of charging on day 2 gets me to the Gulf Coast. If I were going to split it over 3 days, something like 8.5 hours to Springfield, MO (7.75 hrs plus one stop per Google), 9 hours to Abbott, TX (8 hrs plus one stop), then less than 6 hours (5 hours, no stops) on the last day. So about 2-2.5 hours longer overall.
Where are you headed? Just for grins, I plugged in Chicago NW suburbs to Corpus Christi, which is about 1300 miles. Abetterrouteplanner tells me 2 hours, 20 minutes of total charge time for an EV6, or 1 hour, 55 minutes for a Model Y. Total trip time is about 60 miles and 4 hours longer (24 hrs vs. 20) than what Google Maps says, but of course that's for a car (and occupants) that can get there without ever stopping for any reason.
If I were doing it in two days, I'd probably put the longer day first, which is 12 hours, 40 minutes inclusive of charging, but not of any additional downtime, and stop in Tulsa, OK for the night. Staying overnight there "eliminates" the longest single charging stop (32 minutes) of the entire journey. Then about 11 hours inclusive of charging on day 2 gets me to the Gulf Coast. If I were going to split it over 3 days, something like 8.5 hours to Springfield, MO, 9 hours to Abbott, TX, then less than 6 hours on the last day.
1300 miles for me = Plane Ticket/Car rental/hotel .
Although I may take our Y to the Grand Canyon in Arizona as it's a gorgeous route. It's 755 miles, 13h 12m, and 6 charging stops. They are anywhere from 7 minutes to 27 minutes
I subtracted 45 minutes for gas stops, so that would be pretty much it. My wife would probably prefer making more stops, but adding 6 hours would require another night in a hotel on the way down.
So eating and washroom breaks are in addition to the 6 hours of charging time on a 1000 mile trip?
Where are you headed? Just for grins, I plugged in Chicago NW suburbs to Corpus Christi, which is about 1300 miles. Abetterrouteplanner tells me 2 hours, 20 minutes of total charge time for an EV6, or 1 hour, 55 minutes for a Model Y. Total trip time is about 60 miles and 4 hours longer (24 hrs vs. 20) than what Google Maps says, but of course that's for a car (and occupants) that can get there without ever stopping for any reason.
If I were doing it in two days, I'd probably put the longer day first, which is 12 hours, 40 minutes inclusive of charging, but not of any additional downtime, and stop in Tulsa, OK for the night. Staying overnight there "eliminates" the longest single charging stop (32 minutes) of the entire journey. Then about 11 hours inclusive of charging on day 2 gets me to the Gulf Coast. If I were going to split it over 3 days, something like 8.5 hours to Springfield, MO (7.75 hrs plus one stop per Google), 9 hours to Abbott, TX (8 hrs plus one stop), then less than 6 hours (5 hours, no stops) on the last day. So about 2-2.5 hours longer overall.
Naperville to Austin. The Tesla app has us going 100 miles further and charging for 5hr 20min, but I know that's optimistic from past experience. It shows a lot of long stops.
The 100 mile shorter route that Google lists, has over 6 hours of charging. As I said, we would fly if we weren't taking the dog with us.
So eating and washroom breaks are in addition to the 6 hours of charging time on a 1000 mile trip?
I'm just rough estimating things, but we don't stop much. My longest drives are around 8-9 hours with maybe 2-3 stops for gas, food and stretching along the way. We all have pretty good bladders, including the dog. If the difference were an hour or 2, I would probably reconsider. It's the fact that we would have to stay an extra night in a hotel on the way that I wouldn't like.
Naperville to Austin. The Tesla app has us going 100 miles further and charging for 5hr 20min, but I know that's optimistic from past experience. It shows a lot of long stops.
The 100 mile shorter route that Google lists, has over 6 hours of charging. As I said, we would fly if we weren't taking the dog with us.
Why that long to charge? Is it because the chargers are far apart and you have to charge to 100 percent? If I drive from here to San Diego which is over 400 miles, three stops, about 45 minutes combined
Might be some older V2 chargers. I was looking at charging options for to go from NJ to Boston and most of the options in and around the Boston burbs are v2 (150kw max) or urban SCs (72kw max)
I would never buy a PHEV, or HEV. IMO, you get the worst of both worlds. The required ICE maintenance and EV battery concerns. The Model Y's typical commutes are low mileage, so the tank of gas would just be going along for the ride on a PHEV. My concern then would be bad gas after awhile. If we only wanted 1 vehicle, I probably wouldn't have bought the Y, but I'm glad I did. It's the most fun vehicle to drive of any I've owned. I just don't think I want to spend 6 hours charging it each way on this trip.
I really like our PHEV Pacifica. Around town its all EV, but then on a trip we have full gas functionality and never have to think about charging. Its a great compromise.
With that said in full EV its not quick, you don't get the fun of a EV, but you get that smooth refined battery power as long as you keep it under 1/2 throttle.
Originally Posted by asj2024
As to the HEV, I've driven a Prius for 14 years now and it is absolutely the best thing. 50 mpg over those long years, no problems at all.
We had a Prius, of all the cars I have ever owned, to say it was my least favorite car would be a dramatic understatement. Pretty much any EV is more rewarding and interesting to drive.
All the things you have said about EVs (they are disposable, the battery dies and you're done etc) were lobbed at the Prius also, you know those arguments to be untrue about the Prius...they are untrue about EVs too.
Driven my youngest brother's Tesla maybe 3 times (?), ridden a few more times with him. My brother was really into it when he first got it (was excitedly showing me the plug, and the wall chargers he installed and everything), but he's moved on. When I said I was buying a new car, he didn't even volunteer that I get a Tesla. My other brother did just get a Kia EV9 though (I have never driven it as he's in IL), and said I should not get a pure ICE (which i was happy to agree with).
I don't like the spare look of the Tesla inside, and I think that big screen that controls everything with almost no other physical controls around is a safety hazard. I was very impressed with the software on it though, but my current PHEV has the same whiz bang tech, so no loss.
Nowadays, after doing research and knowing more about them, I would not get a BEV at this point not only because of the range anxiety, but because of their disposable nature (you bang one and huge expensive battery is damaged and they are a total loss), really bad resale value, probable reliability concerns over time, and high insurance and repair costs.
However, if things change and I do get a backup BEV car, I will likely get one from Toyota/Lexus. Best manufacturer around.
I wasn't a fan of Tesla's minimalistic approach either. That's one of the reasons I really wanted the Ionic5, or EV6. Typical car dealer BS ruined that plan.
While I enjoyed my 2013 Lexus for almost 8 years, it wasn't perfect. I had to take it in for a warranty issue early on. It was taken care of quickly, but it didn't leave me feeling that they were above any other manufacture as far as quality goes. It was only the second time in 40 years of buying new vehicles, that I had to bring one to the dealer for an issue.
Insurance costs are up across the board, so the Model Y really didn't increase much from the Mazda CX-5 it replaced. My Ranger went up about the same percentage.
