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I really like our PHEV Pacifica. Around town its all EV, but then on a trip we have full gas functionality and never have to think about charging. Its a great compromise.
I totally agree with that last part, for a lot of people.
1300 miles for me = Plane Ticket/Car rental/hotel .
Myself as well. Ain't no way my wife is making that trip, no matter what we're driving.
Originally Posted by Mike728
Naperville to Austin. The Tesla app has us going 100 miles further and charging for 5hr 20min, but I know that's optimistic from past experience. It shows a lot of long stops.
The 100 mile shorter route that Google lists, has over 6 hours of charging. As I said, we would fly if we weren't taking the dog with us.
Maybe try ABRP. It shows 8 charging stops for a total of 2:19, total time of just under 20 hours and 1134 miles. That is just 36 miles farther than the Google route that takes just under 17 hours without any consideration for stops.
Maybe try ABRP. It shows 8 charging stops for a total of 2:19, total time of just under 20 hours and 1134 miles. That is just 36 miles farther than the Google route that takes just under 17 hours without any consideration for stops.
Have you used this yourself? The first stop shows me going almost 200 miles from 100% to 23%, which seems next to impossible in our Y. I drive to Peoria to see relatives on occasion, and I go from 100% to 40% in that 123 miles of mixed highway and rural road driving. That would put me at 205 miles from 100 to 0 percent. I charged once there during some rain, up to 75%. I made it home with 5% left. The car kept nagging me to keep it under 55 in a 70 zone, which I had to ignore. I was planning to make a quick stop somewhere, but it wasn't needed.
Have you used this yourself? The first stop shows me going almost 200 miles from 100% to 23%, which seems next to impossible in our Y. I drive to Peoria to see relatives on occasion, and I go from 100% to 40% in that 123 miles of mixed highway and rural road driving. That would put me at 205 miles from 100 to 0 percent. I charged once there during some rain, up to 75%. I made it home with 5% left. The car kept nagging me to keep it under 55 in a 70 zone, which I had to ignore. I was planning to make a quick stop somewhere, but it wasn't needed.
Yeah extended stretches at ~75-80 are range killers
Have you used this yourself? The first stop shows me going almost 200 miles from 100% to 23%, which seems next to impossible in our Y. I drive to Peoria to see relatives on occasion, and I go from 100% to 40% in that 123 miles of mixed highway and rural road driving. That would put me at 205 miles from 100 to 0 percent. I charged once there during some rain, up to 75%. I made it home with 5% left. The car kept nagging me to keep it under 55 in a 70 zone, which I had to ignore. I was planning to make a quick stop somewhere, but it wasn't needed.
ABRP also lets you login with your Tesla credentials and if you do this in the car using the cars browser, it connects with your cars live usage and is more accurate.
You'd be using the ABRP NAV in your browser, but I think you can also have the Tesla NAV running at the same time.
I've used it once on a short trip just to see how it works, but I didn't like how the screen was split (my S has the vertical oriented center screen) and it made both navigation windows really small.
It may work better in the landscape oriented setup of your Tesla.
ABRP also lets you login with your Tesla credentials and if you do this in the car using the cars browser, it connects with your cars live usage and is more accurate.
You'd be using the ABRP NAV in your browser, but I think you can also have the Tesla NAV running at the same time.
I've used it once on a short trip just to see how it works, but I didn't like how the screen was split (my S has the vertical oriented center screen) and it made both navigation windows really small.
It may work better in the landscape oriented setup of your Tesla.
Had no idea you could run ABRP and it would sync with live data. Interesting
I would never buy a PHEV, or HEV. IMO, you get the worst of both worlds.
i agree.
Originally Posted by asj2024
my current PHEV has the same whiz bang tech, so no loss.
if tech is described as "whiz bang" you might be light on the differences.
Nowadays, after doing research and knowing more about them, I would not get a BEV at this point not only because of the range anxiety, but because of their disposable nature (you bang one and huge expensive battery is damaged and they are a total loss), really bad resale value, probable reliability concerns over time, and high insurance and repair costs.
you seem like someone who keeps a car a very long time, so resale is pretty irrelevant. i've no doubt any phev could cost a fortune to repair or also be a total loss quite easily.
only one anecdote, but my insurance went DOWN when i got an ev. you also said before you might not EVER get an EV. but you do you and keep trotting out those canards and myths.
However, if things change and I do get a backup BEV car, I will likely get one from Toyota/Lexus. Best manufacturer around.
toyota/lexus for ev's right now suck. but hopefully (and i expect) that will change in the next few years.
Originally Posted by Mike728
Naperville to Austin. The Tesla app has us going 100 miles further and charging for 5hr 20min, but I know that's optimistic from past experience. It shows a lot of long stops.
The 100 mile shorter route that Google lists, has over 6 hours of charging. As I said, we would fly if we weren't taking the dog with us.
you must be stopping at craptastic level 2 chargers? i charged from 27% to 80% in 13 minutes this past weekend.
My wife and I are taking a trip (driving) to TX next month, and looked into taking the Tesla. If it wasn't for us bringing our dog, we would just fly. It only took a minute to figure out we're not ready to do that. It would take 6 hours longer to get there, according to Tesla navigation. I assume that's even a bit optimistic. This is why I still have my '21 Ranger with only 7k miles on it. I totally understand why people say they're not ready to go all-in on BEV.
Originally Posted by Mike728
I would never buy a PHEV, or HEV. IMO, you get the worst of both worlds. The required ICE maintenance and EV battery concerns. The Model Y's typical commutes are low mileage, so the tank of gas would just be going along for the ride on a PHEV. My concern then would be bad gas after awhile. If we only wanted 1 vehicle, I probably wouldn't have bought the Y, but I'm glad I did. It's the most fun vehicle to drive of any I've owned. I just don't think I want to spend 6 hours charging it each way on this trip.
I drug around my last tank of gas for 6,500 miles. The gas from the dealer last me 3,325 miles. I have 17,308 miles and I’ve pumped gas I believe 4x which includes two 500-700 miles roundtrip roadtrips. I’ve had 1 oil change and 3 tire rotations. All free.
Originally Posted by Mike728
I subtracted 45 minutes for gas stops, so that would be pretty much it. My wife would probably prefer making more stops, but adding 6 hours would require another night in a hotel on the way down.
Originally Posted by Mike728
Have you used this yourself? The first stop shows me going almost 200 miles from 100% to 23%, which seems next to impossible in our Y. I drive to Peoria to see relatives on occasion, and I go from 100% to 40% in that 123 miles of mixed highway and rural road driving. That would put me at 205 miles from 100 to 0 percent. I charged once there during some rain, up to 75%. I made it home with 5% left. The car kept nagging me to keep it under 55 in a 70 zone, which I had to ignore. I was planning to make a quick stop somewhere, but it wasn't needed.
All of this would drive me insane!! 6hrs of charging
Gas up the Ranger or buy a 🛫 🎟️ My wife and kids wouldn’t be fond of 6hrs of charging. Hell my wife doesn’t like to charge our PHEV as it is. If she see it has gas, she’s driving it. If the gas is low and the EV battery is low, she will drive something else.
I drug around my last tank of gas for 6,500 miles. The gas from the dealer last me 3,325 miles. I have 17,308 miles and I’ve pumped gas I believe 4x which includes two 500-700 miles roundtrip roadtrips. I’ve had 1 oil change and 3 tire rotations. All free.
All of this would drive me insane!! 6hrs of charging
Gas up the Ranger or buy a 🛫 🎟️ My wife and kids wouldn’t be fond of 6hrs of charging. Hell my wife doesn’t like to charge our PHEV as it is. If she see it has gas, she’s driving it. If the gas is low and the EV battery is low, she will drive something else.
It's 6 hours of charging because it looks like several of the chargers he's hitting along the way are the V1 75 kW chargers. If he was hitting V3 chargers, it would be less quick stops, probably two hours charging total. A trip to Arizona, about 753 miles is four quick stops
I once drove from LA to Houston (and back), and I will never do that again. More than 400 miles, I'm flying
It's 6 hours of charging because it looks like several of the chargers he's hitting along the way are the V1 75 kW chargers. If he was hitting V3 chargers, it would be less quick stops, probably two hours charging total. A trip to Arizona, about 753 miles is four quick stops
Less than 200 miles per charge 😬 1hr 30 min charging
The PHEV isn't really a compromise. It's the best solution until BEVs get to be as convenient as ICE. The best of both worlds.
Yep, like I said, I love the fact I go on EV most days for short trips, and don't need to go war planning and stressing whenever I decide to go farther afield.
The PHEV isn't really a compromise. It's the best solution until BEVs get to be as convenient as ICE. The best of both worlds.
no. best solution for those who need long range a lot, sure, but few people take frequent long trips. most people do few or no long trips.
but not the best solution as far as maintenance, fuel cost, performance, and worst of all, sounding like a lawnmower when gunning it.
but sure, for those who really want the comfort of long range and who don't need to take breaks anyway, it's great.
i've done a couple of long weekend trips recently in my ev (as documented in my onward thread) without issue.
i have no interest in driving huge distances in any vehicle.
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Ain't no way my wife is making that trip, no matter what we're driving.
6hrs of charging
