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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
maybe a tesla thing, because i don't get this. on my ioniq my range and soc track exactly. range remaining = battery size x SoC x mi./kwh.

maybe tesla shows range as some fictional "if you drove like granny on surface streets, downhill, with the wind behind you."
Not exactly, we do the same thing with our Polestar and Ioniq....we rely more on SoC. Range is only a guess at any given moment, no matter the brand
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Originally Posted by Hameed
No, he meant set your display to show % SOC rather than showing number of miles left.
^^ This ^^
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Not exactly, we do the same thing with our Polestar and Ioniq....we rely more on SoC. Range is only a guess at any given moment, not matter the brand
Range is an educated guess based on an algorithm and considering how smart Tesla's are shouldn't they be better at it? My BMW does a better job and changes depending on my driving style and it is a "dumb" car. Why is it that Tesla being a "smart" car is so far off? Again, just because you like to use percentage doesn't mean everyone has to. If I had a ton of superchargers near me maybe I would use percentage but since I don't, percentage doesn't mean anything to me.
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Just because you don't doesn't mean I have to look at it the same way. I do it with my ICE car so why can't I do it with my EV? Why even put range in any ICE or EV if people don't use it. Different stroke for different folks. If I am going to drive around all day what is the percentage going to tell me? Am I supposed to put in my destination in my nav every time I go somewhere so I know whether I will have enough charge? It wouldn't have changed my habits that day because I didn't have time to charge my car anyway given what I was doing and the fact that I don't want to stop to charge since it isn't a 5 minute thing, it would cost me 20 minutes. Just because it using battery percentage works for you doesn't mean it works for everyone especially when the charging network isn't great. You live in CA so of course your network is way more built out than any other state so how can you even relate?
Whatever works for you. I do look at range, but it's not very useful, IMO. Range is something that changes depending on many factors. I could have 100 miles left of range at 70 mph, but if I go to 71 mph that changes. Or if it suddenly gets windy, or warmer. Anyway, if that's what works for you, than use it
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Range is an educated guess based on an algorithm and considering how smart Tesla's are shouldn't they be better at it? My BMW does a better job and changes depending on my driving style and it is a "dumb" car. Why is it that Tesla being a "smart" car is so far off? Again, just because you like to use percentage doesn't mean everyone has to. If I had a ton of superchargers near me maybe I would use percentage but since I don't, percentage doesn't mean anything to me.
Well, Tesla hasn't made it smart enough, so I don't depend it. I do use it, but only to give me an idea and I don't rely on it
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Well, Tesla hasn't made it smart enough, so I don't depend it. I do use it, but only to give me an idea and I don't rely on it
Same here. I have zero range anxiety as I always charge the car more than what I actually need.
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Old Feb 9, 2024 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Hameed
Same here. I have zero range anxiety as I always charge the car more than what I actually need.
Well the thing is, I don't rely on superchargers while being within the borders of "Northern California". I've only used a Tesla Supercharger one time since owning my Y, and that's only because we went to a festival in Central California that was about 70 miles away, and I hadn't charged my car the night before and left with 50 percent SoC. I actually could have made it home, but since there was supercharger near on the way home, I hit it out of an abundance of caution.

That said, if others rely on range and that works for them, by all means, use range. I won't block your way 😂
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I don't think the CA folks here appreciate how bleak the charging situation is in the NE and mid-Atlantic. Even with the amount of Tesla SCs it's a dicey proposition to veer too far from the major highways. It's not Midwest bad, but closer to Midwest than it is West Coast
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I don't think the CA folks here appreciate how bleak the charging situation is in the NE and mid-Atlantic. Even with the amount of Tesla SCs it's a dicey proposition to veer too far from the major highways. It's not Midwest bad, but closer to Midwest than it is West Coast
No, I get it. It's just hard to picture it from my vantage point without someone pointing it out
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Originally Posted by Allen K
I don't think the CA folks here appreciate how bleak the charging situation is in the NE and mid-Atlantic. Even with the amount of Tesla SCs it's a dicey proposition to veer too far from the major highways. It's not Midwest bad, but closer to Midwest than it is West Coast
Obviously they don't. I charge to 80% every night thinking I would have enough range for daily duty but sometimes plans change throughout the day and one would think you could get more than 180 miles out of 80% charge. If I used percentage of charge as my view, wouldn't most people think you could get more than 180 miles of range in a day?
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Obviously they don't. I charge to 80% every night thinking I would have enough range for daily duty but sometimes plans change throughout the day and one would think you could get more than 180 miles out of 80% charge. If I used percentage of charge as my view, wouldn't most people think you could get more than 180 miles of range in a day?
Apologies. It's sometimes hard to picture across the country with fogged lenses
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Why aren't you getting an I7 again that you are so smitten with? Lack of infrastructure is what you said
I may very well get an i7, right now its between keeping what I have and getting an i7. My issue is because I travel regularly to such a rural place, but even then having access to Tesla Superchargers will make that much better.

You would love the i7 if you would have an open mind. I drove to the Pocanos after work Wednesday and I do admit, I was happy I didn't have to go sit somewhere 25 minutes to charge, but the ride and drive of the i7 is so incredible is it worth the tradeoff? 95% of my driving would be charge at home no problem.

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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I may very well get an i7, right now its between keeping what I have and getting an i7. My issue is because I travel regularly to such a rural place, but even then having access to Tesla Superchargers will make that much better.

You would love the i7 if you would have an open mind. I drove to the Pocanos after work Wednesday and I do admit, I was happy I didn't have to go sit somewhere 25 minutes to charge, but the ride and drive of the i7 is so incredible is it worth the tradeoff? 95% of my driving would be charge at home no problem.
Oh come off it, I’m not closed minded. I’d love to drive a 7 series but I don’t want to waste anyone’s time. It would be nice to drive both back to back, that sounds fun. The V8 is actually faster.

I’m not a huge fan of the styling but I like how they both look the same.
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Obviously they don't. I charge to 80% every night thinking I would have enough range for daily duty but sometimes plans change throughout the day and one would think you could get more than 180 miles out of 80% charge. If I used percentage of charge as my view, wouldn't most people think you could get more than 180 miles of range in a day?
I've had 2 close calls in the Rivian taking them down to ~4-5% and the nearest EA station required a 20 minute detour and the station had a rating of like 4.2/10. I do toss everything in the nav though so I have a decent idea of how far I can go.

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Apologies. It's sometimes hard to picture across the country with fogged lenses
We're also jealous of your infrastructure

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I may very well get an i7, right now its between keeping what I have and getting an i7. My issue is because I travel regularly to such a rural place, but even then having access to Tesla Superchargers will make that much better.

You would love the i7 if you would have an open mind. I drove to the Pocanos after work Wednesday and I do admit, I was happy I didn't have to go sit somewhere 25 minutes to charge, but the ride and drive of the i7 is so incredible is it worth the tradeoff? 95% of my driving would be charge at home no problem.
I'm more like 99% of my daily driving wouldn't be an issue, but keeping the van for Costco, airport runs, and longer trips has been great for us. Not as comfortable as the Rivian but I don't care about door dings and it has a TV so the kids can watch movies on the longer drives
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I may very well get an i7, right now its between keeping what I have and getting an i7. My issue is because I travel regularly to such a rural place, but even then having access to Tesla Superchargers will make that much better.

You would love the i7 if you would have an open mind. I drove to the Pocanos after work Wednesday and I do admit, I was happy I didn't have to go sit somewhere 25 minutes to charge, but the ride and drive of the i7 is so incredible is it worth the tradeoff? 95% of my driving would be charge at home no problem.
If you love the i7 I personally would get one ignoring the charging infrastructure because you will be driving locally most of the time. For longer trips I would just take the minvan or worst case scenario, rent a car until the i7 can use the supercharger network. The nicer daily drive would be enough for me to get one but then again, it's not like an S class is not an incredible driving machine either.

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I'm more like 99% of my daily driving wouldn't be an issue, but keeping the van for Costco, airport runs, and longer trips has been great for us. Not as comfortable as the Rivian but I don't care about door dings and it has a TV so the kids can watch movies on the longer drives
I'm of the same mindset as you.
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