Range above 400 miles is not necessary - any advances in battery technology should be used to reduce weight. I don't need an EV that goes 600 miles on a charge. If its that hard to charge it to 600 miles, its just as hard to charge it to 400 miles so something is wrong. Range isn't going to be a substitute for ease/speed of charging.

 

when you're cruising on the highway in your s-class, i bet most of the noise you're hearing is road/wind not engine. but i know what you mean an ice has served as sort of a white noise generator when not under load. obviously your car is supremely insulated from sound.

 

I think everything is relative. If you're coming from an old Ford Fiesta, a Tesla Model 3 or Y will seem supremely comfortable and quiet. If you're coming from a BMW, Lexus, Audi, Mercedes (especially their EVs), a Tesla will seem like that old Ford Fiesta lol.

Having both a Model Y and EQS SUV, I can tell you that the Model Y is not the one we use when we want to relax and enjoy a smooth and quiet drive. The difference is pretty night and day. We've stopped driving our Model Y on road trips and only take the EQS on long trips. We just drove it 1600 miles to Denver and back and this Thursday will be driving it 1200 miles to Cleveland and back. The charging infrastructure has been pretty good to us and the EQS has proven to be pretty efficient (easily 300+ miles per charge). It also can hold really high charge speeds at high states of charge, much higher than our Model Y, so we spend about the same amount of time at chargers with the EQS vs Model Y despite having a much bigger battery to fill (108kwh vs 75kwh).

Time passes very differently on road trips in each car lol. Even our dogs like the EQS better. On road trips in the Model Y, both are pretty restless and can never seem to get settled or comfortable. They stay awake the whole time. In the EQS, they lay down pretty quickly and sleep almost the whole drive. #DogApproved lol

 

great post and feedback signdetres.

LOL.

how was the charging experience with the eqs suv on your 1600 mile trip?

 

Loud is very subjective. I'm telling you as a Tesla owner, they are not loud when comparing them to non luxury focused automobiles. I haven't had a chance to watch the videos, but you are amplifying the sound when recording, especially if you have a good mic. I once recorded a drive, and the mic on my OnePlus is so good, it picked up my breathing to the extent it sounded like I was gasping for air!

Because there is no engine, there is going to be some road and wind noise, but if you have good tires, the road noise will be minimal. The Model 3 and Y do a very good job of minimizing road noise. Yes it's still there, but it's really not that bad. This morning I was heading to work, at 80 mph on a freeway with horrible pavement, you feel like you are going 50 mph. And the sound is really not that bad.

Yes, Mercedes does a better job of isolating NVH, no doubt. German cars in general are OCD when it comes to road noise, probably because of the autobahn. But Tesla also does a good job. The Model 3 and Y don't give you that luxury ride like you get from Mercedes, but they are not luxury vehicles. Model X on the other hand gives you a really good ride, even on 20" and 22" tires due to Air suspension. EQS probably does it better, but EQS/EQE are also priced way, way higher

@SW17LS hit on this perfectly Tesla's are just not as focused on noise isolation like the luxury brands are

 

Hey, you disappeared for awhile. Welcome back!

 

It wasn't bad at all in my opinion. Was it 100% perfect? No.

There were 4 charging stops on the way there. The first 2 went perfectly. Just plugged the charger in and the car started charging (Mercedes has plug and charge like Tesla so no apps to use, credit cards to fumble with, etc. it just works when you plug in).

The 3rd charge we plugged in, realized the charger wasn't working and then switched to another plug. And then it worked just fine. Plugged and charged like nothing.
4th charge went the same way. First plug we tried didn't work so we just immediately moved to another one and all was fine.

That was it. To me, from all the horror stories I've heard of with non-Tesla charging, that wasn't bad at all. And it was all free because the EQS came with 2 years of free Electrify America charging. The EQS also charges surprisingly fast for such a large battery pack.

It's peak speed is 200kw (vs Tesla's 250kw) but the EQS holds higher speeds for sooooo much longer than the Tesla. The Tesla only holds 250kw for such a short amount of time. The only time a Model Y charges above 200kw is between 5-15% state of charge. That's it. It drops off very steeply after that whereas the EQS has a much flatter charging curve.

By 50% state of charge, our Model Y would be at about 100kw charging speed whereas the EQS would be at a little over 150kw. At 80% SOC, Model Y is charging at a little over 50kw. EQS is at about 120kw. By 90%, Model Y is charging at about 30-40kw, EQS is still at 100kw or so.

All in all, I haven't minded the non-Tesla charging experience and I've been very surprised by the EQS, for being such a first generation stop-gap product. I think Mercedes made a great EV. I think they have Tesla beat when it comes to range and charging performance. I'd love to see Tesla step this area up.

 

I recently had a conversation with a new tesla owner, a close friend. And he told me the main reason he bought the MY is because it's cheap. With recent drop in price and tax incentive, he was able to get his MY in the 40s. There are no other vehicles in that price range that would offer him the same utilities/functionality. I wonder if that's the reason why I recently see so many MY popping up around me.

 

I totally agree with this. If you have a properly maintained Fast charging infrastructure with enough chargers, 300 miles of range is plenty. Which is why I bought the Model Y...because I travel quite a bit. I easily find available, working fast chargers and spend no more than 15 minutes charging. At this point, non Tesla Superchargers are totally inadequate, overused, and poorly maintained in California, especially on the main travel route between SF and LA.

I really love both our Polestar and Ioniq 5 (which has an 800v battery pack and can support 350 kW charging speeds), but unless I really had no choice, I wouldn't travel with them, especially peak summer when the non Tesla chargers are overwhelmed

 

I agree that it's hard to judge how quiet or not a car is based on a recorded video. I have a ton of videos I've taken on my phone inside the EQS that sound like it has no sound deadening LOL.

I came away really disappointed with the ride quality in the Model X, especially on the 22s. Prior to getting the EQS, we were convinced we were getting an X but came away pretty disappointed after multiple test drives. Before I even left the parking lot (in the Model X on 22s), it was an immediate no. I knew it was not right. I could feel *every* detail in the pavement, it was about as bad as our Model Y on the 20 inch wheels.

In my opinion, there's no comparison in ride quality, EQS does it significantly better but to your point, it's much more expensive and is also a much newer product.

 

The new tesla owner I mentioned also said similar things. He's a long time lexus owner. He said despite the fact that tesla has insulation in tires (?) he could still feel the difference. He also mentioned the way the windows are made, and how they make contact with the car make the air noise more noticeable. I'm not sure if this is how all models are made but I find that design interesting.

 

In California, the number of EV's on the road has exploded, and the Electrify America infrastructure can't handle the load. Many times, out of 4 chargers, 2 are down, and the ones that are working are throttled. One of my trips in my Polestar turned into a nightmare when one of the main charging stops before hitting SoCal had 3 out of 4 chargers offline! I had to drive 18 miles out of the way. The trip, which should have been 7 hours turned into 10. So unless I have to, I will not take either my Polestar or our Ioniq 5 on a long trip

 

I would never buy a Tesla with 20 or 22"...never ever! You are asking for punishment .

I rode in an EQS, and man they are amazing. I can't even describe the ride. Model Y with the best tires in the world feels like you have broken suspension compared to the EQS, no denying. Even my friends i4, the ride, road isolation is so much better than the Y. But that doesn't make the ride in the Y bad, just bad compared to the Luxury brands LoL!

This is what I tell people who ask me if they should buy a Tesla: If you want a luxury ride, buttons and *****, lots of features, don't buy a Tesla. If these are must features, they would be better off buying a Lexus RX or an offering from BMW or Mercedes

 

Agreed, don't get the Tesla if you want a luxurious ride. I really enjoy hopping in our Tesla when I'm in the mood for a fun, sporty and direct driving experience. While Tesla's don't ride like other cars, nothing else drives like a Tesla

 

So you would think that until you drive an ICE and an EV S Class on the highway. I just did that and the 580e in EV felt louder on the highway. Theres a lower end frequency with an engine always there which keeps your brain from focusing on other noises. Do some googling on it, there are articles written about it