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I see! Do carbon ceramic rotors need special cc pads or could we use some of the high quality options members recommend here?
I think you need special pads that are carbon ceramic rated. I know Figs sells those pads, maybe reach out to them to find out if the backing plate is the same between RCF and TE calipers?
That said, at the track a lot of the Porsche drivers actually swap to iron rotors. When I asked why since carbon is supposed to be so much better, the reply was because of cost. Basically the cost of carbon rotors and pads are so much that it's better in the long run to just swap back to an iron setup.
No idea how much longer carbon pads last, but for reference my front Endless MX72 pads lasted about 6 days on the track. Which is really only 3 weekend long events. That's about a year or so for me since I'm not a die-hard. I might have to make adjustments if I was going more often.
I have heard the standard RCF brakes are much cheaper if sourced from Brembo directly. Lexus has a markup (of course, they have Lexus badges on them). I suspect, the carbon ceramics mght be cheaper directly from Brembo as well. Did you try checking the Brembo site?
I have a full set of brake pads and rotors from base RCF taken out at 1,800 miles. Pm if interested.
The “hats” that go on top of the front shock towers to protect the connector for the active suspension wouldn’t safely fit with the shorter stud length on the penskes which means losing the brace to the firewall.
Rafi from RR-racing was able to come through by powder coating a brace this morning on short notice and should receive it tomorrow with overnight shipping.
Yep you would use a specific pad for the CC brakes. Normally CCB you get about 100k miles out of the rotors. You will not get that out of the pads. Generally speaking you'd be changing rotors after the 2nd pad change.
When I was looking at an e63s it had factory CCB which was a huge appeal to me and something I really wanted. After a lot of research and diving into it I would be spending almost $15k to change brakes on the car when the time came for replacement rotors/pads... Each rotor was almost $3,500 and you could only get it form MB. It's a tough pill to swallow.. Keep in mind that's also if nothing actually damages the CC rotor. Things like a rock or anything of that nature that hits the rotor and or that might get stuck in it could cause damage to the point that you need to replace the rotor. Most people don't look at things like that but it can happen. The one thing that I loved was that Giro disc made a specific rotor for the e63s so if you wanted to swap to a steel two piece rotor this was 100% plug and play. They were roughly $3000 for both rotors which was much easier to digest for front rotor replacements. You'd still be spending close to $5k for rotors but that's way better than the price of CC rotors...lol
Just like Lost said, Porsche folks will normally swap out their CCB to steels and run them when they are on the track or what not. Then when they sell the car they put the CCB back. CCB are fantastic but I think it depends on the application. IF you are tracking the car they are fantastic. But a lot of times especially on a street car you are not going to get them up to the temp that they need to be at and they will start to glaze, that's why some CCB are so noisy. You can make this go away shortly by doing some aggressive braking and getting them up to high operating temps, but if you are doing that on the street you are probably driving at illegal speeds. Then when you drive normally again, they aren't getting up to temp and you go through the same process.
CCB are also changed measure by markings on the rotors and by weight. It's more involved because you have to take the rotor off weigh it against what the manufacture states is the min..etc. It's just way more involved.
Yep you would use a specific pad for the CC brakes. Normally CCB you get about 100k miles out of the rotors. You will not get that out of the pads. Generally speaking you'd be changing rotors after the 2nd pad change.
When I was looking at an e63s it had factory CCB which was a huge appeal to me and something I really wanted. After a lot of research and diving into it I would be spending almost $15k to change brakes on the car when the time came for replacement rotors/pads... Each rotor was almost $3,500 and you could only get it form MB. It's a tough pill to swallow.. Keep in mind that's also if nothing actually damages the CC rotor. Things like a rock or anything of that nature that hits the rotor and or that might get stuck in it could cause damage to the point that you need to replace the rotor. Most people don't look at things like that but it can happen. The one thing that I loved was that Giro disc made a specific rotor for the e63s so if you wanted to swap to a steel two piece rotor this was 100% plug and play. They were roughly $3000 for both rotors which was much easier to digest for front rotor replacements. You'd still be spending close to $5k for rotors but that's way better than the price of CC rotors...lol
Just like Lost said, Porsche folks will normally swap out their CCB to steels and run them when they are on the track or what not. Then when they sell the car they put the CCB back. CCB are fantastic but I think it depends on the application. IF you are tracking the car they are fantastic. But a lot of times especially on a street car you are not going to get them up to the temp that they need to be at and they will start to glaze, that's why some CCB are so noisy. You can make this go away shortly by doing some aggressive braking and getting them up to high operating temps, but if you are doing that on the street you are probably driving at illegal speeds. Then when you drive normally again, they aren't getting up to temp and you go through the same process.
CCB are also changed measure by markings on the rotors and by weight. It's more involved because you have to take the rotor off weigh it against what the manufacture states is the min..etc. It's just way more involved.
-Nigel
That nicely sums up the situation. It's just shy of $3k to get girodisc rotors on all 4 corners with pads from RR-racing. That will likely be my course of action.
Don't know if any TE owners have changed out their pads & rotors yet, but I would try to confirm fitment of the standard RCF pads and rotors onto the TE. I know the TE has different calipers, but I haven't looked into the differences in rotors to see if there's compatibility.
RR Racing or Figs 'should' be able to sort that out for you, but please provide updates for future owners looking to make the same changes.
Don't know if any TE owners have changed out their pads & rotors yet, but I would try to confirm fitment of the standard RCF pads and rotors onto the TE. I know the TE has different calipers, but I haven't looked into the differences in rotors to see if there's compatibility.
RR Racing or Figs 'should' be able to sort that out for you, but please provide updates for future owners looking to make the same changes.
I’m not sure on this yet. I know TE calipers have a different part number but they look the same as the base ones to me except they are marked “carbon ceramic”. Worst case simply involves buying 4 calipers if the rotors don’t fit.
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Rear camber needs adjustment to tuck in. Currently at ~+2deg. Setting this to ~-2deg will tuck in the top of the tire by 26.1in * sin(4) = 1.80in which is right about what we need. Adjustments and alignment should happen tonight.
Part of the toms bracing is in. Rear brace and rear top strut brace remain. RR brace arrived this morning and should also go tonight.
