Notices
Performance Forced induction, intakes, exhausts, torque converters, transmissions, etc.

should i get turbo for automatic?

Old May 6, 2002 | 11:23 PM
  #1  
skfds's Avatar
skfds
Thread Starter
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
From: Guam
Default should i get turbo for automatic?

hello... right now i have stock 2002 is 300 auto... although i know manual is the choice for racing, i was wondering if auto's can still put up a competition... also what is the best turbo charger for its money/ reliability? TBKO, Toyomoto, or Powerhouse Racing?
Reply
Old May 6, 2002 | 11:31 PM
  #2  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Post high hp Draggers use automatic

Automatic is better for turbo cars than manual because with a manual you have to drop boost(let off the gas) in order to shift whereas with an automatic you do not . Also an auto Supra TT will beat a manual Supra TT 9 out of ten times in straight line performance(I have the timeslips to prove it).
Reply
Old May 7, 2002 | 01:47 AM
  #3  
skfds's Avatar
skfds
Thread Starter
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
From: Guam
Default

oh wow i never knew that... interesting ...i always thought manuals were better.... thanks
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 12:46 AM
  #4  
Lexus_IS300's Avatar
Lexus_IS300
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
From: I like chicken.
Default

you can get the recirculation kit to prevent boost drop. the auto supra will not hold high hp like the getrag 6. even built trannies dont hold too well for long.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 12:58 AM
  #5  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

Originally posted by Lexus_IS300
you can get the recirculation kit to prevent boost drop. the auto supra will not hold high hp like the getrag 6. even built trannies dont hold too well for long.
Also, with a modified clutch you should be able to shift fairly fast and if you know how to double clutch that would also help Built auto trannys can hold high hp very well though, as far as longevity I am not sure manual or autos hold very high hp for long periods of time reliably.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 01:24 AM
  #6  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

BTW I still would prefer a built/modified automatic turbo car for sure. I really like SMGII type auto tranny's that shift faster than any manuals in the world no matter how good the driver is at shifting. Plus there are so many other reasons why I prefer autos like consistency, better emissions(manual Turbo Supras were illegal in some states, conveiniance, etc...
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 12:19 PM
  #7  
Lexus_IS300's Avatar
Lexus_IS300
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
From: I like chicken.
Default

Originally posted by JAC JZS
BTW I still would prefer a built/modified automatic turbo car for sure. I really like SMGII type auto tranny's that shift faster than any manuals in the world no matter how good the driver is at shifting. Plus there are so many other reasons why I prefer autos like consistency, better emissions(manual Turbo Supras were illegal in some states, conveiniance, etc...
SMG is not an auto tranny. it does have auto mode which you can drive in (automode does not shift faster than manual clutch type cars), it is the manual mode with sensitivity setting that shifts fast and yes, you do have to shift. this transmission is a manual clutchless tranny, not auto. just thought i'd clear that up btw, the shift is .8ms.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 12:30 PM
  #8  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

IS3, maybe you are thinking of SMGI(crappy SMG), I am talking about SMGII which is just like a tiptronic(i.e. no clutch, no releasing of gas pedal needed, just move the ****/buttons/paddle). Tiptronic type transmissions are always classified as automatics . And the SMG II on level 6 DEFINATELY shifts faster than any manual in the world, I will pull up the article on it for you when I find it. Maybe whats throwing you off is that it stands for Sequential Manual Gearbox, which is just a name-marketing strategy, everyone considers the SMGII an automatic.

Last edited by JAC JZS; May 8, 2002 at 12:35 PM.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 03:59 PM
  #9  
Lexus_IS300's Avatar
Lexus_IS300
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
From: I like chicken.
Default

Originally posted by JAC JZS
IS3, maybe you are thinking of SMGI(crappy SMG), I am talking about SMGII which is just like a tiptronic(i.e. no clutch, no releasing of gas pedal needed, just move the ****/buttons/paddle). Tiptronic type transmissions are always classified as automatics . And the SMG II on level 6 DEFINATELY shifts faster than any manual in the world, I will pull up the article on it for you when I find it. Maybe whats throwing you off is that it stands for Sequential Manual Gearbox, which is just a name-marketing strategy, everyone considers the SMGII an automatic.

no, i am not speaking of SMG, im speaking of SMGII (hence the sensitivity setting i mentioned). SMG - sequential manual gearbox, it is NOT a tiptronic type transmission. tiptronic = auto. smg = clutchless sequential, the same type of transmission used in ferrari f360 and f1 (except f1 has 7spd, the SMG has 6) race cars. the technical term for it is semi-automatic, but it is not an auto tranny. getrag calls it the AMT (automated manual transmission). read up on if if you do not believe me it is not people's consideration that makes it true, but rather its engineering and design. btw, SMGII does use the shifter for shiftin (up and down) or you could use paddle as you mentioned.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 04:27 PM
  #10  
FYRHWK1's Avatar
FYRHWK1
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default

Originally posted by JAC JZS


Also, with a modified clutch you should be able to shift fairly fast and if you know how to double clutch that would also help Built auto trannys can hold high hp very well though, as far as longevity I am not sure manual or autos hold very high hp for long periods of time reliably.

IS3, maybe you are thinking of SMGI(crappy SMG), I am talking about SMGII which is just like a tiptronic(i.e. no clutch, no releasing of gas pedal needed, just move the ****/buttons/paddle). Tiptronic type transmissions are always classified as automatics . And the SMG II on level 6 DEFINATELY shifts faster than any manual in the world, I will pull up the article on it for you when I find it. Maybe whats throwing you off is that it stands for Sequential Manual Gearbox, which is just a name-marketing strategy, everyone considers the SMGII an automatic.
someone needs to introduce you to synchromesh, either that or you've been watching F&F too many times. repeat after me: I am not toretto, i do not have NAWS, NAWS isn't the answer to all of lifes problems . . .
as to SMG-II, it's nothing like tiptronic, which are basically fancy automatics, the SMG-II is a full manual clutchless sequential tranny, it just does the actual shifting for you.
http://www.news24.com/News24/Wheels2...101449,00.html

Last edited by FYRHWK1; May 8, 2002 at 04:30 PM.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 04:51 PM
  #11  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

LexusIS, I have used the BMW Semi-automatic shifter & to me it was easier to use than the GS4's Tiptronic. You shift gears by just slapping the little shifter to the left or the right and it will shift into the next gear for you AUTOMATICALLY if you stay at high RPM's for too long (it's basically an automatic transmission that let's you pretend you are driving a manual while providing a safety net below ). You can just put the car in D and you can forget to shift the whole time and not worry because it will just shift for you. To me that's definately not a manual, you might call it semi-automatic but I feel that manual was thrown in the name to make it sound more appealing to diehard manual fans(or so that people who would at one time only drive manual would not feel bad thinking that they now drive an automatic but rather they are driving a "Sequential Manual Gearbox" I think that was smart marketing on BMW's part because it keeps open a whole line of buyers that they otherwise would have lost by calling it Automatic or semi-automatic. Think about how many people you know that drive manuals and say that they will never drive automatics:eek:,(tons)BMW has
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 05:04 PM
  #12  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

Originally posted by FYRHWK1

it just does the actual shifting for you.

fyrhawk is exactly the kind of person I was talking about that think they will be less of a man if they drive automatic so they trick themselves into thinking that they are driving a manual when it's really a high tech automatic The tranny shifts for you, automatically like you just said ****boxHWK. As far as your references to F&F I have no idea what you are talking about sounds like you have seen that movie many more times than I have(never seen it) troll BTW I hope your Firehawk POS doesn't break down today

Last edited by JAC JZS; May 8, 2002 at 05:09 PM.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 05:22 PM
  #13  
Lexus_IS300's Avatar
Lexus_IS300
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 532
Likes: 0
From: I like chicken.
Default

Originally posted by JAC JZS
LexusIS, I have used the BMW Semi-automatic shifter & to me it was easier to use than the GS4's Tiptronic. You shift gears by just slapping the little shifter to the left or the right and it will shift into the next gear for you AUTOMATICALLY if you stay at high RPM's for too long (it's basically an automatic transmission that let's you pretend you are driving a manual while providing a safety net below ). You can just put the car in D and you can forget to shift the whole time and not worry because it will just shift for you. To me that's definately not a manual, you might call it semi-automatic but I feel that manual was thrown in the name to make it sound more appealing to diehard manual fans(or so that people who would at one time only drive manual would not feel bad thinking that they now drive an automatic but rather they are driving a "Sequential Manual Gearbox" I think that was smart marketing on BMW's part because it keeps open a whole line of buyers that they otherwise would have lost by calling it Automatic or semi-automatic. Think about how many people you know that drive manuals and say that they will never drive automatics:eek:,(tons)BMW has

hmmmm. sorry to break this to you, but there is no such thing as "D" in SMG. you have two driving mode, "S" mode for sequential manual and "A" mode for automated (not automatic). in the "S" mode, you will bounce off the rev limiter if you do not shift, no, it will not shift for you. and the shift is not from left to right or right to left, it is up and down. i don't know what "smg" you were driving, but apparently, it wasn't a real one
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 05:27 PM
  #14  
FYRHWK1's Avatar
FYRHWK1
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: NY
Default

Originally posted by JAC JZS



fyrhawk is exactly the kind of person I was talking about that think they will be less of a man if they drive automatic so they trick themselves into thinking that they are driving a manual when it's really a high tech automatic The tranny shifts for you, automatically like you just said ****boxHWK. As far as your references to F&F I have no idea what you are talking about sounds like you have seen that movie many more times than I have(never seen it) troll BTW I hope your Firehawk POS doesn't break down today
lol, you actually think double clutching helps do you? do you know what its for? its to match gear speed, the synchro does that for you without the gears clattering against each other and wearing. and did you read the link? do you know the difference between an automatic and a manual? one uses a torque converter to connect the motor to the transmission, the other uses a clutch to be painfully simple (I wouldn't want to overload yoru obviously feeble mind) the SMG-II may remove the clutch, but it doesnt stuff a torque converter in there, an automatic also makes use of sun, ring & planetary gears in order to step down engine revs, while a manual will use cluster type gears to connect the input shaft from the motor to the output of the transmission, but i don't expect you to understand any of that, so we'll keep arguing on your infantile level, if you like.
Reply
Old May 8, 2002 | 05:30 PM
  #15  
JAC JZS's Avatar
JAC JZS
Lexus Champion
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,772
Likes: 1
From: California
Default

Originally posted by Lexus_IS300



hmmmm. sorry to break this to you, but there is no such thing as "D" in SMG. you have two driving mode, "S" mode for sequential manual and "A" mode for automated (not automatic). in the "S" mode, you will bounce off the rev limiter if you do not shift, no, it will not shift for you. and the shift is not from left to right or right to left, it is up and down. i don't know what "smg" you were driving, but apparently, it wasn't a real one
When I said "D" I was talking about BMW's manu-matic.
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:04 AM.