Lexus Liability
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Lexus Liability
When you think about it - A class action lawsuit could exist against Lexus for their air suspension issues on the ultra.
We all know that they exist - cars don't sit level, right rear air shocks fail, and Lexus refuses to acknowledge any problem nor do anything about it.
Acura lost a class action suit regarding the poor tire wear on the NSX. They settled it by offering free tires for the life of the car while the orig. owner had the car. I don't offer this as an equivocation, but rather to show that car manufacturers have lost suits based on lesser issues.
The more I think about this problem, and the Lexus rep telling me that there is nothing wrong with my Ultra, the angrier I get.
We all know that they exist - cars don't sit level, right rear air shocks fail, and Lexus refuses to acknowledge any problem nor do anything about it.
Acura lost a class action suit regarding the poor tire wear on the NSX. They settled it by offering free tires for the life of the car while the orig. owner had the car. I don't offer this as an equivocation, but rather to show that car manufacturers have lost suits based on lesser issues.
The more I think about this problem, and the Lexus rep telling me that there is nothing wrong with my Ultra, the angrier I get.
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mafpolo,
Did you ever hire an attorney to handle your class action lawsuit? With Toyota now coming under fire about other issues, I'm wondering how many Lexus problems should have actually been a recall. Have they just been hiding from the truth?
Did you ever hire an attorney to handle your class action lawsuit? With Toyota now coming under fire about other issues, I'm wondering how many Lexus problems should have actually been a recall. Have they just been hiding from the truth?
Lead Lap
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If Mercedes won't fix (or admit a problem) the airmatic suspension system on the 00-06 S class (which had 10x more issues then any LS), then I surely can't see Lexus fixing any of their cars. Normally the only one who wins in a class action suit is the law firm taking on the corporation. You may get something like $16.78 out of a win, but that's about it.
Lead Lap
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Yes, the car may lean slightly, but to my knowledge it's neither a safety issue or something that hinders the operation of the vehicle in any way right? I know that you can pretty much sue anything (a tree, a dog, a statue), but in this case, I don't think the issue goes beyond being a cosmetic issue.
It's not like the sludge issue of the 3.0L V-6 engines in the Camry, RX300, etc. which was an obvious flaw that impacted the operation of the vehicle.
It's not like the sludge issue of the 3.0L V-6 engines in the Camry, RX300, etc. which was an obvious flaw that impacted the operation of the vehicle.
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it's the failure, not the lean
Yes, the car may lean slightly, but to my knowledge it's neither a safety issue or something that hinders the operation of the vehicle in any way right? I know that you can pretty much sue anything (a tree, a dog, a statue), but in this case, I don't think the issue goes beyond being a cosmetic issue.
It's not like the sludge issue of the 3.0L V-6 engines in the Camry, RX300, etc. which was an obvious flaw that impacted the operation of the vehicle.
It's not like the sludge issue of the 3.0L V-6 engines in the Camry, RX300, etc. which was an obvious flaw that impacted the operation of the vehicle.
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Lead Lap
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Ah so...
Anyway, I'm not an UL owner, so don't affect me...
Actually the air was one of the reasons I kind of stayed away from the UL. Didn't think it would last very long even without the "issue" noted, and I had no use for the rear entertainment extras as I have three child seats in the back.
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Normally the only one who wins in a class action suit is the law firm taking on the corporation. You may get something like $16.78 out of a win, but that's about it.
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devil's advocate
From an owners standpoint, most would agree if it had a pattern of failure before an "unreasonable" amount of time or mileage (REGARDLESS if it's in/out of warranty), then yes...it's premature.
If you're the manufacturer, your perspective (probably even for Lexus) would include: Is the vehicle still within it's warranty period? If not, then sorry, nothing we can do about it/no goodwill.
Ahhh...but then again, there's those darn italics and quotes again around the word unreasonable.
Hypothetically----what if a high percentage of UL owners (~40%) see failures ~45,000 miles or ~5.5 years?
What would your take be, regarding Lexus' obligations, if any?
Last edited by LS430inDE.; Feb 19, 2010 at 10:11 PM.
I italicized and quoted the word premature on my first post, because that word can be subjective, depending on who is doing the evaluating.
From an owners standpoint, most would agree if it had a pattern of failure before an "unreasonable" amount of time or mileage (REGARDLESS if it's in/out of warranty), then yes...it's premature.
If you're the manufacturer, your perspective (probably even for Lexus) would include: Is the vehicle still within it's warranty period? If not, then sorry, nothing we can do about it/no goodwill.
Ahhh...but then again, there's those darn italics and quotes again around the word unreasonable.
From an owners standpoint, most would agree if it had a pattern of failure before an "unreasonable" amount of time or mileage (REGARDLESS if it's in/out of warranty), then yes...it's premature.
If you're the manufacturer, your perspective (probably even for Lexus) would include: Is the vehicle still within it's warranty period? If not, then sorry, nothing we can do about it/no goodwill.
Ahhh...but then again, there's those darn italics and quotes again around the word unreasonable.
Hypotheically----what if a high percentage of UL owners (~40%) see failures ~45,000 miles or ~5.5 years?
What would your take be, regarding Lexus' obligations, if any?
What would your take be, regarding Lexus' obligations, if any?
Every air suspension system fails overtime. Im not sure why this one would qualify for a recall. Power steering leak was a huge issue for early model LS' and they were never recalled, despite being a more serious concern then A/S.
It was the buyers choice to buy this option to begin with. Considering that many of us are second hand owners, i dont frankly think Lexus will do much anyways.
Mercedes owners have been crying for years over costly A/S systems and no one moved an eye lash in the German corporate office.
It was the buyers choice to buy this option to begin with. Considering that many of us are second hand owners, i dont frankly think Lexus will do much anyways.
Mercedes owners have been crying for years over costly A/S systems and no one moved an eye lash in the German corporate office.
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