Anyone Trade their 2IS for the 3IS
01-28-13, 12:12 PM
#106
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Lets just wait for the reviews, and if Lexus pulls off what i'd consider to be a miracle and the 3IS 350 is significantly faster than the 2IS 350 I'll gladly eat some humble pie and never again pre-judge a Lexus vehicles performance. If however its roughly equal, or less than the 2IS, you stop claiming I need to drive the car first. Deal?
As for driving the car first, sorry but I believe in having first hand experience before I pass judgement on something.
Originally Posted by natnut
Judging a car by 0-60 or quarter mile times is the crudest way of assessing a car. For example the previous gen BMW E90 330i was never the fastest or most powerful sedan in its segment when compared to its competition yet was widely acknowledged to be the best driver's car.Seems like you're quibbling over internet specs cos you're reaching for a reason to dislike the car and don't want an actual test drive to change your ( already made-up)mind.
01-28-13, 04:55 PM
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You're also under the misconception that acceleration is all I care about. It isn't, except that's one area where I feel the 3IS will at best, only match the 2IS. I don't buy a new car very often, about once every 5-7 years (my current IS 350 is a 2006 model that I bought in 2005) so I'm right around that time frame now. Every single new car I've purchased did everything better than my previous car, some things a little better, other things a lot better, at least everything that was important to me. I don't feel the 3IS would hold true to that tradition.
Now if I didn't have a vehicle at all and ~$50K to spend on one, I'd more than likely pick the 3IS over the 2IS. I'm not saying it's not a better car overall. What I am saying is the delta between the two is less than I was hoping for, and a big part of that is going to be it's power plant.
As for driving the car first, sorry but I believe in having first hand experience before I pass judgement on something.
Anyway, all this is sounding very familiar, if you feel like asking me the same questions again, feel free to PM me and try and convince me in there that I don't want a faster car. Putting the debate on repeat in the public thread isn't doing anyone any favors.
As far as a test drive. I fully intend to drive one the next time I take my car in for service and they have them on the lot. If the car is head and shoulders above mine by such an extent that it makes me forget or not care that it isn't any faster, i'll be sure and post the good news.
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01-28-13, 06:25 PM
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04-07-13, 11:22 PM
#112
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3IS versus 2IS debut... compare/contrast...
I wasn't around CL in 2005 to experience the joys and cries of the 2IS's reveal. For those who were around, how did it compare to the 3IS debut? What I'd be most interested in is how much people were up in arms over the new body and interior compared to the 3IS debut. I'm sure there was rejoice over the new 3.5 V6. But with no new engines here, a mechanical comparison would be tough. What about interior materials? Were we as focused on that compared to how we are today? So what was the consensus like? Did we make the same claims at the time that we are making now in 3IS? Have we changed our tune over the 2IS as time has gone on? Would we do the same with the 3IS as time goes on? Is TIME all we need to love the new IS? Does this whole pyschological process repeat itself when it comes to most new car debuts? Let's compare and learn from history. It could help us see the new IS better or in a different way. I've learned over the decades my initial reaction to most new car debuts is negative, but often improve once a few months of seeing them on the road takes place.
*Discuss*
*Discuss*
04-08-13, 02:06 AM
#113
I wasn't around CL in 2005 to experience the joys and cries of the 2IS's reveal. For those who were around, how did it compare to the 3IS debut? What I'd be most interested in is how much people were up in arms over the new body and interior compared to the 3IS debut. I'm sure there was rejoice over the new 3.5 V6. But with no new engines here, a mechanical comparison would be tough. What about interior materials? Were we as focused on that compared to how we are today? So what was the consensus like? Did we make the same claims at the time that we are making now in 3IS? Have we changed our tune over the 2IS as time has gone on? Would we do the same with the 3IS as time goes on? Is TIME all we need to love the new IS? Does this whole pyschological process repeat itself when it comes to most new car debuts? Let's compare and learn from history. It could help us see the new IS better or in a different way. I've learned over the decades my initial reaction to most new car debuts is negative, but often improve once a few months of seeing them on the road takes place.
*Discuss*
*Discuss*
similar to 3GS vs 4GS, we still have few 3GS owners hating on 4GS, which is obviously superior vehicle.
04-08-13, 02:41 AM
#114
Personally I think 3GS to 4GS update is great. If I need a larger car and have the money I'll get a 450h F-sport over the competitors. It looks great and successfully made the 3GS looks dated. But I don't feel the same with the 3IS. I like half of it and don't like the rest of half of it. The test car I checked out was a 300h f-sport in white pearl. Compare it to my 2012 f-sport in white pearl it didn't makes my car looks dated. So I didn't get that wow feeling like when I first saw the 2IS. Maybe Lexus will make it looks better inside out on next refresh. Who knows.
04-08-13, 02:06 PM
#115
I owned a 1IS and I currently have a 2IS, the 2IS blows the the 1IS out of the water in my opinion. I dont feel that the 3IS does that to the 2IS, maybe its a lack of new engine or whatever, but as of right now I'm not trading my IS350 in on a new one.
04-08-13, 02:46 PM
#116
More and more I look at my 2IS, it looks more and more dated, but just only still... i think with 3IS seen on the road, the feeling will grow. I could still invest in some springs, wheels, spoiler kits to keep it somewhat fresh.
04-08-13, 08:13 PM
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When the 2IS debuted it was pretty much universally loved. The biggest complaints were no 2Jz and altezZas were gone 
and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get.
In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.
and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get. In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.
04-08-13, 08:19 PM
#119
When the 2IS debuted it was pretty much universally loved. The biggest complaints were no 2Jz and altezZas were gone and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get.
In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.
and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get. In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.
04-08-13, 09:31 PM
#120
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When the 2IS debuted it was pretty much universally loved. The biggest complaints were no 2Jz and altezZas were gone and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get.
In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.
and no manual with the big engine. It was as good as a launch as you can get. In contrast the front end of the 3IS is hit or miss though it seems to be growing on people, the interior is also hit or miss with people, carryover engines are not helping its case and now the F sport lack of options isn't a hit either. So far it seems to have hit the mark with its drive and sport.