Notices
IS - 2nd Gen (2006-2013) Discussion about the 2006+ model IS models

The Oil Catch Can Experiment

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 2, 2017 | 12:27 AM
  #136  
shlomie11's Avatar
shlomie11
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Dec 2016
Posts: 32
Likes: 0
From: Israel
Default

Originally Posted by shaolin
how much would it cost for dealer to clean up the carbon build up during regular maintenance? Anyone have paid for this service other than warranty and know how much? I recalled having dealer done it once many many years ago but under warranty, but ever since i don't feel i have any issue or i could be wrong.
about a month ago i asked the dealer (i didnt have any problem, just for to know) here if they know the buildup carbon and what is the price they take to fix it and they told me "about 600$"
Reply
Old Jan 2, 2017 | 09:36 PM
  #137  
shaolin's Avatar
shaolin
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,577
Likes: 4
From: Irvine, CA OC Area
Default

Originally Posted by shlomie11
about a month ago i asked the dealer (i didnt have any problem, just for to know) here if they know the buildup carbon and what is the price they take to fix it and they told me "about 600$"
damn that's pricy..
Reply
Old Jan 2, 2017 | 11:36 PM
  #138  
Retroplay's Avatar
Retroplay
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Aug 2015
Posts: 769
Likes: 79
From: Florida
Default

Originally Posted by shaolin
damn that's pricy..

I keep reading that the $600 service isn't much more than running Seafoam through the engine, but using a Toyota version of it. I believe that I read the tear-down walnut shell airblasting version (the real way to clean the engine) was in the thousands to have done.
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2017 | 02:35 PM
  #139  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

You also need to intercept the other PCV line (the short one from the valve cover to the intake pipe), using a different catch can. This is so you don't mess with the amount of air that would bypass the throttlebody.

Srsly, lexus engineers, how the hell did you NOT see this coming, and then saying putting in new pistons would FIX the problem? Yea, right. You can't stop engine blowby, every single one of these engines should be recalled as lemons.
Reply
Old Jan 9, 2017 | 09:06 PM
  #140  
Japmand's Avatar
Japmand
Pit Crew
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 100
Likes: 6
From: CO
Default

I've also heard the EGR system contributes to possible issues with buildup on the intake valves - is this correct? I just want PURE AIR being sucked into my engine --- how hard is that?
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2017 | 09:09 AM
  #141  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Japmand
I've also heard the EGR system contributes to possible issues with buildup on the intake valves - is this correct? I just want PURE AIR being sucked into my engine --- how hard is that?
Yes, the EGR system will recirculate post combustion "soot" back into the intake, pre-valve. So it could also contribute to coke build up. Unfortunately, the EGR system actually helps increase fuel economy during low load operation (long term cruise) by displacing unnecessary O2 in the combustion cyl, which if there was an excess, would lead to leaner conditions and promote the production of NOx (smog). Removing it is also illegal, and you won't pass emissions with it bypassed.
Reply
Old Feb 4, 2017 | 02:02 AM
  #142  
rbipu's Avatar
rbipu
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
From: New York
Default Anyone?

Originally Posted by rbipu
i installed a mishimoto occ soon after importing an is250 from japan and 3000km after the install it's collected a lot of blow-by. To the guys who've had an occ for a while now, how effective would you say it is with preventing carbon buildup on the intake valves?
****bump****
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2017 | 06:42 AM
  #143  
smitty2919's Avatar
smitty2919
Pit Crew
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 162
Likes: 39
From: NKY
Default

rbipu,
Every motor is different and some will have more blow by than others. So to say that one catch can is the "best" is very suggestive. Unless you put in multiple cans in a series, you won't know if any single can is catching ALL the oil in the PCV hose. BUT, ANY oil caught is good IMO. It's a good idea to have a can on EVERY car IMO.

Just wanted to chime in and say this writeup helped me install a simple home depot can on my wife's 250. it is just temporary until I get a much better can and mount it up front.
Thanks to then OP for the pics and writeup.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2017 | 09:00 AM
  #144  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by smitty2919
rbipu,
Every motor is different and some will have more blow by than others. So to say that one catch can is the "best" is very suggestive. Unless you put in multiple cans in a series, you won't know if any single can is catching ALL the oil in the PCV hose. BUT, ANY oil caught is good IMO. It's a good idea to have a can on EVERY car IMO.

Just wanted to chime in and say this writeup helped me install a simple home depot can on my wife's 250. it is just temporary until I get a much better can and mount it up front.
Thanks to then OP for the pics and writeup.
There have been many "lab grade" experiments that have shown (with repeatability) that the oil / vapor separators for pneumatic systems are 98% efficient. Norgren is one company that makes such devices.

Last edited by APynckel; Mar 19, 2017 at 11:34 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2017 | 11:24 AM
  #145  
smitty2919's Avatar
smitty2919
Pit Crew
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Mar 2017
Posts: 162
Likes: 39
From: NKY
Default

Link to said lab experiments and how they were conducted? I'd like to look into this.
Reply
Old Mar 19, 2017 | 11:36 AM
  #146  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

http://cdn.norgren.com/pdf/Filters.pdf

They claim 98% of particulates filtered over 5 microns... page 7

I know I've seen videos of this testing, but cannot seem to find them at this point in time. The video showed them introducing a fluid into a pneumatic system via venturi, and with a filter further down line, removed all of the liquid.
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2017 | 12:54 PM
  #147  
Aspect's Avatar
Aspect
Racer
 
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 129
From: ON, Canada
Default

Does anyone have any input on whether you should get a 2 port or 3 port catch can?
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2017 | 01:42 PM
  #148  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Aspect
Does anyone have any input on whether you should get a 2 port or 3 port catch can?
3 port for what reason?
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2017 | 01:44 PM
  #149  
Aspect's Avatar
Aspect
Racer
 
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 1,358
Likes: 129
From: ON, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by APynckel
3 port for what reason?
Just asking cause there's a catch can I want but the three port is cheaper than the two port
Reply
Old Mar 21, 2017 | 01:46 PM
  #150  
APynckel's Avatar
APynckel
Pole Position
 
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 205
Likes: 1
From: Texas
Default

Originally Posted by Aspect
Just asking cause there's a catch can I want but the three port is cheaper than the two port
You could always block off one port... but you want to keep the two banks of the PCV system vacuum sourced from either side of the throttlebody.
Reply



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:32 PM.