EV charging in the US is broken — can it be fixed?
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Carbon build up is not as bad on NA engine, but it still happens, and Honda DI engines are still relatively new. All the turbocharged european engines suffer from it and pretty much require walnut blasting as a part of regular maintenance. The procedure is $3-6k at an independent shop. Honda's latest engines also suffer from bad oil consumption and oil/gas dilution. Even if a modern engine runs past 100k, it will have lost a lot of power and efficiency.
Honda 1.6t and smaller disp engines had some issues from oil consumption and oil/gas dilution, the 2.0t is stout from what I have read and does not have the issue. I have never experienced engines with over 100K miles losing power and efficiency as long as they are properly serviced, I never heard it is a new trend with newer engines either, they often get a little quicker with age once they are broken in.
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I think the reason, or a good part at least I am getting (good, for this) 18.5MPG (rated 17 hwy) in my LX going 80-90MPH is because the engine is broken in so well. Previous owner treated this thing like a child.
If you read Car and Driver's long term road tests where they retest after 40k miles, the majority of the time the vehicles are faster.
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That's always been true. Broken in motors perform better in every way, usually.
I think the reason, or a good part at least I am getting (good, for this) 18.5MPG (rated 17 hwy) in my LX going 80-90MPH is because the engine is broken in so well. Previous owner treated this thing like a child.
If you read Car and Driver's long term road tests where they retest after 40k miles, the majority of the time the vehicles are faster.
I think the reason, or a good part at least I am getting (good, for this) 18.5MPG (rated 17 hwy) in my LX going 80-90MPH is because the engine is broken in so well. Previous owner treated this thing like a child.
If you read Car and Driver's long term road tests where they retest after 40k miles, the majority of the time the vehicles are faster.
Interesting article from Jalopnik discussing how installing fast chargers can be very expensive, and take a very long time. Something that I've been arguing in many threads.
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
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Interesting article from Jalopnik discussing how installing fast chargers can be very expensive, and take a very long time. Something that I've been arguing in many threads.
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
Why does a dealer want to charge an EV in 20 minutes? Is the dealer charging for this? I think the dealer just didn't know **** about charging infrastructure and ordered badly. Most reasonable dealers install chargers that their current infrastructure can support. EA and Tesla actually have very expensive installations where they dig up streets because they are an energy supply business and expect a long-term ROI for this. Ever go to a V3 Tesla charging station which can supply 250kw? There are a minimum of 8 stalls and sometimes go up to 50 stalls as it requires great scale at those voltages to make it worthwhile.
Typical Jalopnik garbage.
This article is such a hit piece its kinda laughable. Most Chargepoint L3 fast chargers are between 24-48kw because that will charge a Tesla in about 90 min and be sufficient for dealerships. My work has a couple of these and they are actually littered throughout the city at dealerships and places of work and public parking spots. The 150-300kw chargers are very high voltage and meant for high traffic areas and interstates enabling EVs to go long-distances. If the dealer wants to put in 150-300kw chargers, its like a dealer wanting to put in an entire gas station on his lot and the accompanying infrastructure.
Why does a dealer want to charge an EV in 20 minutes? Is the dealer charging for this? I think the dealer just didn't know **** about charging infrastructure and ordered badly. Most reasonable dealers install chargers that their current infrastructure can support. EA and Tesla actually have very expensive installations where they dig up streets because they are an energy supply business and expect a long-term ROI for this. Ever go to a V3 Tesla charging station which can supply 250kw? There are a minimum of 8 stalls and sometimes go up to 50 stalls as it requires great scale at those voltages to make it worthwhile.
Typical Jalopnik garbage.
Why does a dealer want to charge an EV in 20 minutes? Is the dealer charging for this? I think the dealer just didn't know **** about charging infrastructure and ordered badly. Most reasonable dealers install chargers that their current infrastructure can support. EA and Tesla actually have very expensive installations where they dig up streets because they are an energy supply business and expect a long-term ROI for this. Ever go to a V3 Tesla charging station which can supply 250kw? There are a minimum of 8 stalls and sometimes go up to 50 stalls as it requires great scale at those voltages to make it worthwhile.
Typical Jalopnik garbage.
Interesting article from Jalopnik discussing how installing fast chargers can be very expensive, and take a very long time. Something that I've been arguing in many threads.
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
https://jalopnik.com/the-price-of-ev...r-d-1848712949
and the electricity those chargers are providing largely comes from fossil fuels... oh the irony.
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definitely an interesting article. 150-350kW is a ton of power. it's made me realize that electric utility companies are going to get very rich from EVs because most people will not have full solar at their homes and even if they do they'll still use chargers on a trip or at work, etc.
and the electricity those chargers are providing largely comes from fossil fuels... oh the irony.
and the electricity those chargers are providing largely comes from fossil fuels... oh the irony.
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that's because 25% of canadians live near niagara falls.
edit: ha, wasn't far off... ontario has 38% of canada's population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu..._and_territory
edit: ha, wasn't far off... ontario has 38% of canada's population.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popu..._and_territory
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Read the article, the manufacturers are requiring dealers to install these, one of the reasons could be to provide service to customers, and test fast charging functionality whenever they service it. And so when they are required to install it, they have to absorb the costs, but moreover it can take a very long time, which is the norm whenever it comes to any sort of service upgrades. Just the permits alone can take months.
Large high voltage stations will cost $200k+ because its meant to service a large number of cars and provide a potential high return in the future when EVs become prevalent. Tesla has the most charging stalls with the highest average voltage across the nation and they are making money hand over fist as a company. The costs aren't prohibitively expensive as you wanted to point out. Its actually reasonable given the type of station being built.
It's not just dealers, its just to demonstrate what it takes to install a charging station, cost and time wise. Expect it to only get worse with increased demand, especially with the shortage of qualified labor.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
well duh, they have cars going for test drives all day that need to be recharged. they need the ability to add some charge quickly so as not to keep customers waiting.