So let the free market of the United States work properly. Cut the non-sense of $12,500 EV credits to nothing. The economy will thrive. Let all the other countries chase zero emissions and watch how poor everyone will be.

I guess it is good for America that China is producing Model Y and Model 3 cars for export....

Would you pay a premium to use a charging station? Audi is planning charging hubs with lounges.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/green-...letter_Sending

Tesla already has that in several places. It's a nice to have. They are building themed Charging stations like a retro diner theme in Santa Monica. Seems myopic if charging becomes so fast, people can't enjoy it.

This is such a waste of time.

Acceleration numbers are starting to flatten out no matter what powertrain, tires/traction can't handle much more acceleration then 0-60 in 2.3-2.5 seconds unless you go with big thick drag slicks, that is why some automakers are saying they will focus more handling, experience, etc over trying to get the fastest acceleration number is they have already pretty much gotten there.

0-60 is not everything and you are comparing a car/engine with IC tech/performance from 2005, more modern 6 cylinders from other makers are much quicker then your IS350/its V6 so it is not a fair comparison at all, both a Tesla Model S and 3 were not even out in 2005, they were released 7+ years later. With EV's it is mainly a couple acceleration runs, then most of their performance starts tapering off and in most cases plummeting, that does not happen with IC cars. Then you talk about track/endurance/high speeds and EV's are a joke and the worst thing you would want or use which is another place IC cars shine, track/endurance/sustained racing performance and higher speeds where heavy EV's fall apart. It is not like they can be quickly recharged/re fueled either making them almost useless as something you race/bring to a track or a long high speed drive. You are also talking about the highest performance versions of already expensive EV's which are very pricey, the more base models are not that fast and some EV's are slow like Leafs, Bolts, ELR's, new VW EV.

I have not been to the dealership in my GS350 either in over 2 years. I changed the oil twice in my garage which cost less then $50 total, I probably could have just stayed with the same oil if I wanted to with the miles I put on it but I change it earlier. There is hardly any maintenance on my GS either.

Besides charging it at home I don't see any real advantages of a EV over a modern IC car.

So many people are ignoring that this isn’t Denmark and not America. Half of us don’t want EVs, and we aren’t best friends with the government and/or think they know what’s best for us like many of those European countries.

My Model 3 is an older design from 2018 and still does the quarter in 11.4s which the new M3 can't quite match. Not to mention the M3 gets 18mpg in mixed driving while an EV doesn't suffer from higher consumption due to higher performance. You can have a Plaid model with 1100hp still have similar consumption as one with 300hp while the Chiron gets 10mpg vs. the 30mpg 300hp car. The RIMAC just released with almost 2000hp because EV drivetrains are ridiculously easy to make powerful with reliability. The Chiron has like 14 radiators to try and remove the heat and insane amount of technology to get to its hp level while the EV just has to have a larger inverter...they aren't remotely comparable in terms of complexity needed for high hp and daily reliability.

The only reason those base model EVs are slow and underpowered is purely to not cannabalize their ICE sales. A single motor Tesla that costs $40k does the 0-60 in 5s flat...pretty much the slowest Tesla out there. The Korean EVs are also coming with much faster solutions because their performance cars will be EV based so they don't care about cannabalization. Ioniq5 and Kia's EVs will be well under 5s at around $40-50k. The Mach E GT from Ford will smoke its own pony cars and its a crossover!

Also, I never claimed ICE doesn't have advantages such as low refuel times and the ability to do longer trips or longer endurance / road races. My claim was that EVs have significant advantages for use in daily cars in terms of cost to maintain, cost to refuel, and daily useable performance. Frankly, it will be funny watching the Plaid model completely embarrass everything on the road (not track) while carrying 5 people comfortably with super high efficiency. I can't understand why you can't even acknowledge that there are inherent advantages to EV with the mountain of evidence out there.

Ha Just wait till people are taxed and told when you charge their EVs in America

Lol that’s exactly my point. Americans, or half of us at least don’t like being told what to do by anyone, especially the government. That’s not me being political it’s just the truth.

and now california has a proposed law to make home solar MUCH less attractive financially.

Proposed bill that could gut California rooftop solar draws fire – pv magazine USA (pv-magazine-usa.com)

Please....that has about as much chance of it passing as the state turning red. Stupid bills get proposed all the time and this one has the population in an uproar. Of course its backed by the utilities but everyone else is opposed. Sentiment here is that it will get killed as the negative campaigning has already begun on this.

Oh I'm on CD forums constantly gleaning all kinds of perspectives from all over the world. Forum people would like it, there's something for everyone. Lots of good things to read about (retirement forums reading peoples' $$$ stories), lots of snark, lots of BS. Mods are loose there so half of the fun is reading the snark.

And yes by "countermeasures" you mean this thing called a Constitution. I know politics we can't get into, and I'm truly not trying to go down that road. But I think that many people will refuse to adopt to EVs because of politics. Even if they don't necessarily dislike them. Just like how I'm not buying solar stuff for my house when I can/have research(ed) how clean a company TVA is who provides my power.

when i first read that i thought, wait a minute, the state's already red, as in communist.

Lol. Come on...California has one of the highest inequity gaps between rich and poor in the nation. Hardly communist...we are the very definition of capitalist

Extreme inequity between the rich and poor is exactly what communism has delivered anywhere it was tried. You are think about what communism promises and never delivers. On the other hand, America was built on capitalism, and has made more people rich that any other economic system in history.