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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Perhaps they're not actually vents but if you're referring to the left/right low 'tear drop' type shapes, there may be venting to cool the brakes or battery.
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Could be for drag...the new EQS is the most aerodynamic production car in the world.

It could also be for in car air filtration. Some sort of new high text air system will be on the car as well.

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And not everyone cares about going 0-60 in 3.1 seconds or faster.
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Exactly....Totally important but not the only thing...BMW gas M8 Comp hits 3.0 seconds.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Why must this be compared to a model S? I'd say they're very different vehicles.
Very similar specs - size, range and price and the fact that they are both EVs.

How are they very different?
i believe it's a distinctive spec/design/platform to get their first big EV out there and get feedback. A bit like when the Prius was launched they didn't try to have it replace Corollas. Of course now toyota's prius is all but dead and they offer hybrid on many 'normal' models, like corolla.
Look at what Porsche did with the Taycan and it's cousin the E Tron GT. Now those two EVs look spectacular for their first EV sedans.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 05:43 AM
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Very similar specs - size, range and price and the fact that they are both EVs.

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I think the Mercedes is in a different class.. Its more luxurious. More technically advanced. just different. The design of Tesla S is from 2013.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Why must this be compared to a model S? I'd say they're very different vehicles. And not everyone cares about going 0-60 in 3.1 seconds or faster.
The Model S is the benchmark in this segment. It's also one of the few EV's that come with a 100 KWH battery like the EQS, therefore it's very much a fair comparison.

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Very similar specs - size, range and price and the fact that they are both EVs.
The specs of the EQS are inferior to the Model S. The only range numbers we have so far are for the RWD version. The AWD will have a lower range, probably around 350 miles on the EPA scale. Acceleration, as mentioned before, doesn't come close to the Model S.

It's also very odd that the battery uses a 400V charging architecture and not the 800V as adapted by Porsche/Audi and Hyundai/Kia. The "S-Class" of EV's and it can't even match the tech of a Kia?

The EQS will no doubt be better as a luxury car than any other EV, but you don't need an EV to have a luxury car at that price range.

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Originally Posted by Motorola

The EQS will no doubt be better as a luxury car than the Model S, but you don't need an EV to have a luxury car.
Some say the model S in not a luxury car.
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The specs of the EQS are inferior to the Model S. The only range numbers we have so far are for the RWD version. The AWD will have a lower range, probably around 350 miles on the EPA scale. Acceleration, as mentioned before, doesn't come close to the Model S.
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Charging and range are a marketing tool. Those with money it makes no difference.
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Some say the model S in not a luxury car.
It is based on price, tech, and performance. If you want a soft-riding quiet car, you don't need an EQS- an Avalon can fulfill that job for the price of an S-Class's accessories.

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Charging and range are a marketing tool. Those with money it makes no difference.
lol yeah being competitive is a marketing tool- and that's why the EQS won't sell nearly as well as a Model S.
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If you want a soft-riding quiet car, you don't need an EQS- an Avalon can fulfill that job for the price of an S-Class's accessories.
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An S class rides far nicer than an Avalon the tech of the new EQS is superior to the Tesla S.

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lol yeah being competitive is a marketing tool- and that's why the EQS won't sell nearly as well as a Model S.
The EQS. It will sell for more money. And it will be more profitable.

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An S class rides far nicer than an Avalon the tech of the new EQS is superior to the Tesla S.
Clearly not considering it isn't as fast nor has the range of a Model S despite using a larger battery.

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The EQS. It will sell for more money. And it will be more profitable.
It'll be leased with a mountain of incentives just like most other Mercedes products and suffer tremendous depreciation once that lease is over, just like an S-Class.
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Motorola not sure why you're so intensely negative about a car that isn't even out yet and why you think an Avalon is the equivalent, which is laughable.

And while you keep pointing out 0-60 times and range, etc., there's much more to the EQS than those things.

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Originally Posted by Hameed
Very similar specs - size, range and price and the fact that they are both EVs.

How are they very different?
respectfully, i don't consider the Model S a luxury car. an incredible electric and very nicely designed 'missile' though

Anyway, no doubt there will be endless reviewer comparisons soon.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Motorola not sure why you're so intensely negative about a car that isn't even out yet and why you think an Avalon is the equivalent, which is laughable.

And while you keep pointing out 0-60 times and range, etc., there's much more to the EQS than those things.
This is the problem with EVs. The weight is so much so it’s hard to get proper luxury features. The tech is the EQS such as four wheel steering, air suspension, sun shades, all the amenities all add to weight. The auto door closers, the list can just go on. The tech and level of amenities is superior in the EQS. I don’t love the exterior but I am glad it’s distinctive and different compared to the established S class or the Tesla S, I do think the exterior is very nice. The interior is pretty fantastic.

Good that the S class can move quick. I am sure MB will have something to beat it with the AMG badge on it. And it will cost more. And people will pay.

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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Motorola not sure why you're so intensely negative about a car that isn't even out yet and why you think an Avalon is the equivalent, which is laughable.

And while you keep pointing out 0-60 times and range, etc., there's much more to the EQS than those things.
I'm simply replying to posts quoting me- if you want to play it that way, I'm not sure why you're so intensely defensive about a car that isn't out yet.

You also completely missed my point about the Avalon. The Avalon is more plush and insulated than a Model S yet nobody in their right mind would consider an Avalon as more of a luxury car than a Model S.

Also just found this comparison to the concept, clearly did not translate well to the final product:



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Originally Posted by Motorola
I'm simply replying to posts quoting me- if you want to play it that way, I'm not sure why you're so intensely defensive about a car that isn't out yet.

You also completely missed my point about the Avalon. The Avalon is more plush and insulated than a Model S yet nobody in their right mind would consider an Avalon as more of a luxury car than a Model S.
I don't really consider Tesla luxury vehicles. Its more of a premium / tech sports vehicle vs. a true luxury brand. Its similar to Porsche in that it has luxury elements but Porsche focuses on the sport way more. Tesla focuses on the tech and power aspect way more than the luxury but does include nice amenities and materials (again some luxury elements). I guess its how you define luxury cars...if you consider Porsche a luxury brand, then I guess you'd label Tesla the same. However, I can see how some wouldn't see Porsche or Tesla as luxury brands which is also a fair perspective.
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Old Apr 16, 2021 | 08:03 AM
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I don't really consider Tesla luxury vehicles. Its more of a premium / tech sports vehicle vs. a true luxury brand. Its similar to Porsche in that it has luxury elements but Porsche focuses on the sport way more. Tesla focuses on the tech and power aspect way more than the luxury but does include nice amenities and materials (again some luxury elements). I guess its how you define luxury cars...if you consider Porsche a luxury brand, then I guess you'd label Tesla the same. However, I can see how some wouldn't see Porsche or Tesla as luxury brands which is also a fair perspective.
Mercedes makes a ton of hard-riding and noisy AMG's- pretty sure they're still considered luxury cars.

The Tesla Model S costs over $70K. That alone should leave no question as to whether it's a luxury vehicle. It's true that compared to other $70K cars or even cars half its price like the Avalon, it's lacking in areas such as noise insulation and certain amenities, but it also has features and performance that almost no other car at that price can provide.
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