for a trip each way and staying there it's simple. recharge *near* the destination and have plenty of charge while there. then if needed, go to same charger *near* the destination when heading out to top up (or night before), and drive home. done this several times. piece of cake, no inconvenience at all.

is it the SAME as just stopping for 5 minutes at a stinky gas station? no. but then i NEVER EVER have to go to a gas station which is a much much bigger win.

 

If Toyota and Honda shifted to 60 mile range PHEVs in all their top selling vehicles, BEVs would likely be done.

 

I really never thought of the benefits of better EV range in PHEVs. My thoughts on PHEVs have really been centered around what I have, but imagine we could even have PHEVs with 100 miles of range...

Sure I could charge near the destination but I don't really want to do that, I want to get to my destination. Take the beach we're all excited to get to the beach...don't want to stop in Salisbury and charge for 20 min. We wanted to get to Hershey Park, not stop right nearby and charge for 20 min. WV I've been in the car for 5 hours, I want to just get there. Its not a huge issue but that's just the thing, if I had a PHEV with 60+ miles of all EV range I would never have to go to a gas station unless I was on a trip, trying to think of a day when I drive more than 60 miles its not very often at all. I drove the Pacifica the other day because I needed it to drive people around and I didn't drive one mile of ICE. Its about 10 miles to my office, and I have free level 2 charging. So I drove to the office, loaded up with 5 other people and we drove around and looked at 4 or 5 houses, then I drove back to the office. That used up most of the EV range, but I plugged into the Level 2 and for free in 1:40 I was 100% charged and I got back home with 20 miles of EV range left. So...I would never use any fuel with a PHEV when driving around town.

Watching that video its like a lightbulb went off in my head. It truly is 80% of the benefit of an EV with 10% of the downside (initial cost and complexity). The 20% it lacks is the performance of a full EV. Downside is a lot of PHEVs have crappy gas engines, but in a luxury vehicle we have BMW PHEVs with the B58, the RR PHEV has the inline 6. MB is a bummer because outside of the S Class their PHEVs have the 2.0T 4 cyl.

 

It took me six and a half hours to drive 390 miles with one 20 minute stop. If I took my Sienna, I may have saved five minutes. I'll tell you what... you can have all the hybrids and phevs you want

 

But what about when you are at your destination? If you aren't staying someplace with a charger?

Thats only an average of 60MPH also. My trip to WV is about 350 miles and I can do it in under 5 hours with no stops. That trip with an EV with 325 miles of range I would have to stop for 25 min or so and I would arrive with 50 miles left or so at the speeds I travel, so I would have to stop again as I arrive to get range for driving around or I would have to charge it while I'm there. If there were a charger where I was staying that would be no problem.

You have a lot more chargers around you. There is a Supercharger in Mt Hope but its an older Tesla one which doesn't allow non teslas. So I would have to stop in Beckley and sit for 25 minutes after having stopped already for 25 minutes when I'm only 20 more minutes from my destination. Not fun. That makes a 5 hour trip a 6 hour trip.

 

Going by the discussions here some people love gas stations.

 

If I'm not staying somewhere with a charger, there's always Tesla superchargers within five minutes from most destinations in California. I really don't care that I have to spend 20 minutes, the superior driving experience is totally worth it to me

 

Don't love gas stations at all, thats my point on this whole topic. A higher range PHEV would let me avoid gas stations entirely in my day to day life and only visit them when on a road trip, where I would definitely rather gas up vs stop to charge.

 

Thats the benefit of being in CA, we aren't that fortunate here. Thats also my point, with a higher range higher EV power PHEV I would also still get much of the superior driving experience of the EV. Its a great compromise.

Lots of Superchargers around here but thats not the case in southern WV, or near Ocean City, or in rural PA...

 

We always stop at a gas station when doing a road trip, even if we are in an EV. We usually just pick a good one. Get a fountain drink and some junk food to munch on. I would actually miss that if they all went away.

I don't understand the irrational hate of gas stations. Sure, a shitty gas station is shitty, but a shitty grocery store is shitty too. Doesn't make me want to stay home and order grocery delivery and never walk in a grocery store again. I like going sometimes.

Not to mention that some charging station are now being installed....at gas stations. How are the EV gas station haters going to handle that? Just seems stupid.

 

I don’t dislike gas stations, I just would rather not have to worry about gassing up on a regular basis if the car will charge at night while I sleep. To me the big draw of the EV is just the way they drive.

 

I do understand that not everyone has access to charging like I do, so I'm not against hybrids or phevs per se, but I will say that states that are anti EV or not investing in charging infrastructure are doing their residents a great disservice

 

Lexus Halo coupe had a range of 650 miles in hybrid form

Dumb Lexus didn’t put the 5 L hybrid from the LS 600 H in their halo coupe

too bad the Lexus halo coupe is not a plug-in, hybrid

 

But you still have your LC right?

What makes a PHEV complex? You can either plug in or not plug in. Pump gas or not pump gas. Seems rather simple

I sat at a charger in Vegas for 40 minutes charging to 90% at 11pm. Granted that was the only time I charged during the 5 days I had the M3LR.

I think you refill more washer fluid than the typical oil change. 😆

The fact that it takes effort planning where you’re going to stop and charge. Lately the only gas stations I go in are at Buc ee’s in which it can turn into a 20 min EV stop.

What if you want an icee and a candy bar? 😁

It takes 15 min to fill up your Sienna?👀

We have a 313 mile trip coming up next month. Waze says it will take 4hrs 32 min. Tesla planner using a model 3 LR says it will take 5hr 15 min with 2 charging stops.

For 171 miles of the 313 miles the speed limit is 75mph. Then for the final stretch of 71 miles the speed limit is 70. With the way I drive I will be around 83-85mph entire stretch. Not sure what speeds the Tesla planner thinks or suggest I travel at. I made this same trip 2-3x in my PHEV in hybrid mode on the highway then used EV mode around town.

On a roadtrip if you’re traveling 75-80mph and the gas car behind you or in front of you is also traveling 75-80mph, what makes driving an EV a superior driving experience. If anything in my opinion, EVs are boring unless they are being hustled red light to red light or driven spiritedly around town due to the instant torque. Are EVs convenient in a sense you can “fillup” at home? Absolutely 100%!! I get EVs, one of the best commuter vehicles hands down. I’m not knocking any EV owner but I haven’t seen that one EV that has grabbed my attention enough to run out and purchase one.

However at this moment the one EV I wouldn’t mind owning is the Sierra/Silverado EV due to its massive range and it’s a good looking truck but it would have to be a lease due to me recently learning EVs suffer in resale. And I use my truck for towing so there’s that.

 

I'll just answer the bold part. It simply drives smoother than it's gas car counterparts. It has instant torque at any speed. Only gas cars that are twice or three times it's price can even compete with it, even at 70 or 80 mph. It doesn't need nearly as much maint...except for Windshield washer fluid 🤣. And lastly it's more efficient than any gas car, going 0 MPH or 100 MPH. Simply put, I will never, ever in my life buy another gas powered car unless it's for nostalgia reasons or just a weekend car.

You just reminded me...I need to order another case of WW fluid 🤣🤣