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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 10:52 AM
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How did you wind up handling the charging?
I charged to about 100 percent before heading to my aunts house, I had about 70 percent when we arrived. Because the Y is so efficient, that was all I needed. Before we left for home, I charged to about 40 percent, which was plenty to get to the superchargers. I plugged in for about an hour, took a walk and then headed back to my aunts, then headed home. I basically took the opportunity to get out and walk around, as you can see it's a very beautiful area
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 10:54 AM
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I'm not going all electric any time soon. I'm just not. Too many scenarios where charging is a pain. BUT..I could feasilby get rid of our ice RX and replace it with a PHEV SUV. All electric does perform better, but in a family SUV, I don't really need the ultimate performance. PHEV would probably perform better than the current ice RX most of the time. So, it would still be an upgrade.

Plus, my wife ain't dealing with charging at home or on the road. She is perfectly fine and comfortable with ice. A PHEV would work for her when she needs to drive it. She would be annoyed with a BEV, and in turn, annoy me.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I charged to about 100 percent before heading to my aunts house, I had about 70 percent when we arrived. Because the Y is so efficient, that was all I needed. Before we left for home, I charged to about 40 percent, which was plenty to get to the superchargers. I plugged in for about an hour, took a walk and then headed back to my aunts, then headed home. I basically took the opportunity to get out and walk around, as you can see it's a very beautiful area
Did you have to charge on the trip or was the trip only 30% of the car's battery? If the trip only used 30% of the car's battery that's a different situation. I'm traveling 350 miles away to a rural place without charging locally. I have to stop and charge at some point just to get there, and to have charge to drive around there I would have to stop in Beckley and charge again, so that would add ~ 50 min to an hour to the trip. then on the way back if I left with less than 80% charge I would have to stop twice on the way back too. Thats one thing if I did that once a year but I do it 3-4 times a year.

Even with that I might make that swap just to get the day to day enjoyment of an EV, but if a PHEV can give me most of that enjoyment day to day and also make that stopping unnecessary when traveling...thats attractive. I think most of the EV adopters that are left don't want an EV enough to take on that travel situation...which makes PHEVs an easier sell.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:02 AM
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I'm not going all electric any time soon. I'm just not. Too many scenarios where charging is a pain. BUT..I could feasilby get rid of our ice RX and replace it with a PHEV SUV. All electric does perform better, but in a family SUV, I don't really need the ultimate performance. PHEV would probably perform better than the current ice RX most of the time. So, it would still be an upgrade.

Plus, my wife ain't dealing with charging at home or on the road. She is perfectly fine and comfortable with ice. A PHEV would work for her when she needs to drive it. She would be annoyed with a BEV, and in turn, annoy me.
Yep, thats a good example. Lexus' PHEV unfortunately only has 35 miles of range, and outside of the TX they are all the 4 cyl which I don't want. IMO a PHEV is only appealing if the ICE engine is also enjoyable. I liked the TX V6 PHEV I drove but not the RX 4 cyl PHEV.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Did you have to charge on the trip or was the trip only 30% of the car's battery? If the trip only used 30% of the car's battery that's a different situation. I'm traveling 350 miles away to a rural place without charging locally. I have to stop and charge at some point just to get there, and to have charge to drive around there I would have to stop in Beckley and charge again, so that would add ~ 50 min to an hour to the trip. then on the way back if I left with less than 80% charge I would have to stop twice on the way back too. Thats one thing if I did that once a year but I do it 3-4 times a year.

Even with that I might make that swap just to get the day to day enjoyment of an EV, but if a PHEV can give me most of that enjoyment day to day and also make that stopping unnecessary when traveling...thats attractive. I think most of the EV adopters that are left don't want an EV enough to take on that travel situation...which makes PHEVs an easier sell.
Basically the supercharging lasted me the whole trip until I had to leave, in which case I topped off for an hour so I could reach the superchargers on the way home, but in your particular situation I would probably take my Sienna
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
She would be annoyed with a BEV, and in turn, annoy me.
😂 😂 😂
And then you come here so we can annoy you too. Haha j/k 😁
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Basically the supercharging lasted me the whole trip until I had to leave, in which case I topped off for an hour so I could reach the superchargers on the way home, but in your particular situation I would probably take my Sienna
Yep, that’s my dilemma.

Ocean City I would park it one night at a Level 2 charger across the street towards the end of the trip and it would be fine. Going to NJ plenty of charging, but that trip to WV is still tough.

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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
4 cyl which I don't want.
Most 4cyl I've been in are buzzy and groan loudly under acceleration. The gal who sold my wife her RX350 purchased a new RX with a 4cyl. She says it's wonderful and can't tell any difference. So...
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:32 AM
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People that don't own EVs sure don't like them.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Most 4cyl I've been in are buzzy and groan loudly under acceleration. The gal who sold my wife her RX350 purchased a new RX with a 4cyl. She says it's wonderful and can't tell any difference. So...
Same.

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People that don't own EVs sure don't like them.
Who has said in this thread they don't like EVs? Certainly not me.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
People that don't own EVs sure don't like them.
Maybe EV owners often care too much about what others like or dislike? Goes along with a virtue signaling purchase of an EV.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Maybe EV owners often care too much about what others like or dislike? Goes along with a virtue signaling purchase of an EV.
You know EV owners better than they know themselves especially the buying to virtue signal part.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 12:13 PM
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PHEVs are EVs...they're just both an EV and an ICE car.

I am on record saying repeatedly I love EVs, but full EV adoption requires a commitment for many people that they aren't totally able or willing to make. PHEVs require much less commitment.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ChattanoogaPhil
Maybe EV owners often care too much about what others like or dislike? Goes along with a virtue signaling purchase of an EV.
You've used that term a few times now, blissfully unaware of the irony that the only one clearly, obviously and pathetically "virtue signalling" is you.
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Old Aug 19, 2025 | 12:13 PM
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Let's knock off the personal comments
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