The ECVT in Lexus/Toyotas are the closest things I’ve felt when it comes to smoothness accelerating in an EV. @SW17LS how would you access the smoothness of the TX 550h+

 

I haven't driven any of the new Lexus HEV's, but I have driven the new Prius, RAV4, Camry Hybrid, as well as a Hyundai Elantra hybrid and I would be fine with them if they 1) weren't four cylinder 2) and I never experienced driving an EV. EV has spoiled me to the point where only something like an M2/M3/M4 Comp or similar would satisfy my daily driving. I can no longer live with any ICE appliance, those days are over for me. Even when I go back driving my Sienna occasionally, I have to readjust to the "delay"

 

Feels great, eCVT in the Pacifica feels great too. The 6 cyl makes all the difference.



Totally get that, but thats the beauty of having a PHEV with a more powerful electric motor and long range, in daily driving you are driving an EV, you don't have to use the gas engine at all. Certainly not as powerful as a M3P, but 0-60 in the 6-7 second range all EV. The Pacifica is probably close to 9 seconds 0-60 in all EV, but even that when accelerating the only time I am in the gas engine is pulling out into moving traffic, otherwise its all EV too.

 

Our daughter's Pacifica PHEV has never felt underpowered when I've driven it.

 

Drive it back to back with your F-150 😊It also has a V6, which is my minimum for any ICE

 

I'm talking about keeping it in EV power only, it definitely could be quicker there. Overall total power no its fine.

 

Are you looking at it from a performance standpoint? You still have gearshifts and turbo spooling…not a seamless instant response like you find in an EV

Lexus/Toyota PHEVs stay in EV modes even if you floor it up to 84mph. My PHEV 0-60 was 5.4 seconds in hybrid mode. Maybe 8 seconds in EV mode.

 

I look at EV'S as an overall package. A daily commuter, family sedan, trip car that can instantly turn into a performance car and wipe the smile off of 90 percent of sports cars, but is super efficient, doesn't need much maintenance, can constantly be updated, and lastly, doesn't require gas station visits. No ICE vehicle remotely meets this criteria

 

Not long ago I started to pump gas and realized gas was $4.69/gallon. I put that pump back and drove to another gas station in the direction I was headed. Gas was I believe $1/gallon less.

I probably would have a driveway of EVs if I lived in California. You get a pass @AMIRZA786 😆

Also I talked to coworker today who drives a 2022 or 2023 Model 3 performance. He said he loves it. He recently also picked up a 2025 Model Y at a steep discount. I believe he said $7500 tax credit, $500 loyalty discount plus another $7k or maybe $9k off. He mentioned it was one of the last 2025s left in inventory. The only thing he’s disappointed in is the resale which is why he didn’t trade his M3P in. Said he’s just plan on keeping it.

 

I don’t know what the aversion to a gas station is all about, on the east coast almost all superchargers are at a gas station. The one time it wasn’t it was in the back of a strip mall with minimal lighting which was way worse than a gas station IMO from a safety standpoint.

As for PHEV, I am not interested unless it has the same gas engine in a car that I like. I considered getting the PHEV Cayenne until I learned it had the V6 vs the V8. If I wasn’t an enthusiast I would take the PHEV without question for our road trip car.

For most of the road tripping for dance comps or hockey games BEV sucks because I am driving to and from a number of places so it isn’t just going to one place and the chargers aren’t typically close so I would have to make a trip to charge.

SW also just happens to be lucky the charging station in Ocean City is close to where he stays. When I went to the outer banks there was one charging station at a grocery store that wasn’t that close which meant I would have to go there to charge one night and leave my family to do it.

 

what SoC (%) did you start/end at? my ioniq will go from 10-80% in 18 minutes at EA.

i do. the garage ornament. i am looking at 'future options'.

maybe simple to operate, but nothing simple about having both a full ice drive train, and an ev drivetrain with a small battery, and all the interaction between both.

it's true that trips take a little bit of pre-planning. for some that's unacceptable. i bet objections would continue even if ev's took 5 minutes from 0-100% and had 500mi. of range.

most humans don't want to go 4 1/2 hrs without a stop.
imo all driving is boring except when driving "spiritedly".

that's because you drive more distance than a commercial truck driver. i think a lucid air with the 512mile range option or cadillac iq or other big gm range vehicle would work for you though.

can we leave out gas anecdotes please? nothing to do with this sub-forum.

yes there were pre-refresh 2025 Y's being sold at bargain basement prices. just had an uber ride in one. super smooth and quiet, but not as nice as the new ones.

 

this thread and so many others...

"i like NA gas engines and nothing else and would NEVER drive an EV"
"i like NA or FI gas engines and nothing else and would NEVER drive an EV"
"i like gas engines but am ok with hybrids and would NEVER drive an EV"
"i like gas engines but am ok with plug in hybrids and would NEVER drive an EV"
"i would consider an EV only if it has no drawbacks compared to a gas or hybrid or plugin hybrid (despite the other advantages of an EV)"
"i got an EV and realize my prior objections were ludicrous"

 

Agreed.

Agreed. Like with the S580e I drove it and I just didn't like how the I6 felt. In the Range Rovers though I do like how those I6s feel, in fact I think I like the RR with the I6 better than the V8. Not sure why, but a few reviews have actually agreed. I also really like the B58 so a BMW PHEV would be fine. To me I don't want to feel like I'm getting a lesser experience when the battery is depleted.

Yeah totally luck on that, there are like 3 in town, one downtown, one midtown and one uptown and it happens to be right across the street from the condo we rent. Very easily could require an Uber ride back.

I don't see this as a thread where people are justifying their opinions, I shared this video because it really altered my own opinion about what vehicles we would get next. It made me really understand the potential of PHEVs in general. I want an EV but thinking about the concept of having only EVs and integrating that into our lifestyle it presents a big challenge because of how we travel.

 

For me living in California, being able to charge at home, plenty of supercharging, almost zero maintenance, with the ability to beat most expensive sports cars, use it as a daily commuter and not having to ever visit a stinky *** gas station...ever, it's a no brainer. And if you live in a state that forces you to drive a gas car or hybrid, I feel sorry for you. Sorry about sounding so dismissive, but I ain't ever going back to old technology. No flip phones, no Blackberry, no dial up Internet

 

Yeah, one size doesn't fit all. I don't understand the posters on either side of this that try and force their beliefs on others. I would never even think about owning a PHEV, due to my perceived complexity concerns down the road. If it works best for you, go for it!