When it comes to smoothness, my friend with his MYLR has the optional 20s complains it’s not the smoothest ride. Looking back he wish he opted for the 19s. I’ve been in a model Y uber and I couldn’t give a fair assessment on ride comfort because it was only a short ride (couple miles) and the roads were pretty bad.

And he echoes the same, he’s done with gas cars as well.

Cousin went from a RX350L to TX350 and she said the RX350L felt more peppy.

People who never been within 10ft of a PHEV share the same sentiment.

 

Personally I don't get the whole thing. Just different styles of propulsion, all of which have positives and negatives. If I owned an EV I would miss certain aspects of driving an ICE car. Driving ICE cars there are aspects of driving an EV I would like to have. PHEVs are a good middle of the road...

Love the smooth, silent EV powertrain. Love waking up to full range every morning and not having to worry about refueling. I also love the ease of driving an ICE vehicle on a trip, and I still enjoy the sound and feel of a great engine.

 

PHEV = DVD VCR combo
EV = Ultra HD Blu-ray

 

I wouldn't go that far. BluRay DVD combo maybe.

But to take that analogy further, what if you still want to be able to play your DVDs? You might prefer the DVD/BluRay combo even if you can't play 4K Blu Rays.

I don't hate or dislike ICE vehicles, so going EV doesn't have to mean for me that I would never drive an ICE vehicle again. Means I want to drive in EV also, preferably most of the time...but I also occasionally want to have the ease of the ICE powertrain which makes a high range PHEV compelling

 

Tell us about your experience behind the wheel of a PHEV.

 

Ours has the 20's. The ride difference between the two was negligible, but the ascetics of the 19's was the real deal breaker. For what it's worth, neither are very smooth in the pre-refresh Y.

 

Our PHEV Pacifica is literally one of my favorite vehicles we have ever had. Thats really saying something. I come out to the garage on the weekend and I choose it over the S580. Thats the truth.

 

Refresh Y is dramatically better in ride and drive and cabin isolation. The difference is not subtle.

 

I'm not talking about wheels or tires, if I put bad tires on my Model 3 or Y they will of course not ride smoothly (or my tires go bad). I'm talking drive-train. My friends M4 Comp is one of the smoothest ICE vehicles as far as drive trains are concerned, but both my Model Y and 3 are both way, way smoother. From acceleration to cruising. Instant torque at speeds are similar, but guess what...my friends M4 Comp is also 3X the price, 10X the maint, and uses way more fuel to get from A to Z. Let me state that I'm not against ICE, I still have love for ICE, but it's all nostalgia now. As far as Hybrids and PHEV's, I'm no fan of anything four cylinder. Electric drive train or not, they are way too buzzy for me, and way under powered. I just road this weekend in my nephew's Honda Accord Hybrid, and thanks but no thanks.

Again, I'm not against hybrids or PHEV's. They are just not for me, especially living in California where I have access to charging at home (power from the sun ) and supercharging while I travel. That's all I'm saying, I'm only talking about my needs

 

this pretty much sums up what he’s told me

 

If you were comparing it to the TTV8 I have the smoothness differential will be much less. I have almost entirely vibration free acceleration. The only time you feel the engine is at idle, and the 48V means it basically doesn't idle. But yeah, EV powertrain is going to be smoother than almost all ICEs under any circumstances.

From a maintenance perspective its no contest, EVs are dramatically lower maintenance than my engine. In the Pacifica though, we change the oil once a year or so for $100 and thats the only maintenance. I should probably change the engine air filter I guess, its 2 years old and has 22k miles on it. The S580 has turbos and oil separators etc etc

 

You are correct when moving to bigger displacement engines, but a TTV8 is also more expensive to maintain, and has much higher energy requirements to achieve similar performance (and smoothness) to an EV drive train. And I can safely say, most people don't buy V8's because of the more expensive fueling costs

 

Well, I have the refresh Model 3, which has revamped suspension, better sound dampening, refined seats, and more refined motors. Smooth as a luxury car. Put your foot down and it's now a sports car, but still more efficient than a Prius

 

I'm totally fine with 19" on both the Y and 3. Since the Y is our family car and my wife's car, I'm really fine with the 19" tires . Now that I've replaced the tires on the Y with Kumos, the ride is completely smooth and quieter. Not as smooth as the 3, but smoother than when it had the Continentals

 

Totally agree, and its a car that is almost 3 times as expensive in general