By me. By the industry. I hold my Model Y to a higher standard than my Polestar for example. If my Polestar has software glitches, I give it a pass. If my Y glitches out, no passes.

Getting the OTA recall was zero effort on my part, so I really don't care

 

I'm surprised by your comments. I care if people are cheating self driving tech it puts possibly me and my family in danger. And definitely some people out there. On the broader point, equal application of the law should not be too much to ask.

I don't think any auto maker should ever get a pass when it comes to safety no matter how many cars they sell.

 

​​​​​​If it makes you feel better, Ford Blue Cruise, or whatever they call it monitors your eyes, as does our Ioniq 5.

Getting upset about it doesn't solve the issue. If you feel that strongly about it, you can write the NHTSA. Not that they will care, but who knows

 

In that video, the drivers eyes did seem to be mostly on the road. Don't know it's the best example to support the point in the tweet. Rivian also claims it has other ways to detect driver inattention. It's also not marketed as full self driving.

On my Lighting, I don't need to hold the wheel on highways, it's totally hands free. There are two cameras that look for driver attention. It does allow you to look around a little but it will nag if you aren't focused enough on the road ahead. With too many nags it will deactivate and require you to retake control. Ford just did an OTA update that adjusted the inattention monitoring thresholds (they actually adjusted downwards, it now has a higher tolerance threshold). My lightning will self drive on most roads, but if you'r not on a fully mapped road (most major roads and highways) it will require you to hold the wheel, albeit it will handle almost all steering/braking/acceleration for you.

 

Sorry I brought it up jeez louise.
Rivian disabled their cabin tracking because it couldn't see the driver properly.

 

As an owner, the Rivian system sucks. It's basically lane keep + radar cruise which is also limited to only mapped roads. But those limitations probably also give it more leeway with the nagging

 

LCID is seeing some wild swings lately it can go from up 5% to down 5% in 1 hour. This time last year the stock was $11 now it's $3.50, it was @$2.50 a week ago. Best chance for their survival IMO is get their SUV out ASAP.

 

LoL friend I wasn't trying to give you a hard time. OK, I was

 

Baffling, I was talking about that when we were in the Bay Area. I'm sure these are tech people which means they're smarter than me, but apparently not in the common sense department...

IDC what the car is, in Bay Area traffic/construction/etc. and these people literally fall asleep.

 

You can't really do this anymore, Tesla has made it really hard, and the latest update monitors for inattention to the road

 

Good. My point was more that I just don't understand why someone would do that. I really don't. I don't break out the violins when they crash into a wall like the fools that they are.

 

People do silly stuff for attention. It really wasn't that many people, probably only a small handful, but they got a lot media attention, which made it seem more widespread than it really was. A bigger problem is people texting while driving, which is not just done by Tesla drivers

 

There are people who do this just when driving, they are only busted because other people get footage.

 

Rivian doesn’t market their system in a way that misleads people that it fully drives itself.

 

Volvo and Polestar are getting a divorce.

Volvo cuts ties with struggling Polestar