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Old Nov 30, 2023 | 08:44 PM
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I just learned that Supercharging isn't great for Tesla batteries.......

You really need to have a plug at home for one of these.
if you have a home or space to charge privately, it makes no sense to not have one. and it's a fraction of the cost to use vs a sueprcharger or other commercial charger.
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Old Nov 30, 2023 | 08:55 PM
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just trying to understand... you left a charger plugged in for a week even though your car likely would only charge for a couple of hours so no one else could use it?
Plenty of chargers in this garage, and if they didn’t intend for people to plug their cars in while they were away they wouldn’t put chargers in an airport garage. Can’t exactly fly back and unplug the car when it’s done charging.

But literally, 50% of the spaces in this garage had access to chargers.




you don't love the s-class power as much as driving the pacifica phev on electric drive?
I like both. I drive the S Class all week. But I would take an EV over the V8 for sure
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
This was an issue with older EV'S, there is no modern EV that loses 40 percent, even in the most extreme weather. Extreme weather they would lose 10 percent. When the weather is in the 30's, I maybe lose 2 percent range. But that doesn't really matter because 99 percent of the time I drive 20 miles a day, and have the option to charge at home every night. If I do need to fast charge, 10 minutes gets me 100 miles plus of range if I'm in a hurry
AAA tested this. Granted these are 2017/2018 models. 100 miles of range turned into 59 miles. For hot weather, it was less at 87 miles. Has something changed that much in the last few years?

https://info.oregon.aaa.com/aaa-stud...017%20percent.

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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Absolutely not true. A study was recently published that shows battery degradation between those who supercharge regularly and those that charge at home is similar...1 to 2 percent per year. This study covered Teslas and non Teslas. You can find it posted in the Tesla business thread.

All my EV'S are covered by an 8 year, 120k mile warranty, so battery degradation doesn't worry me one bit
Just going by forums.... Tesla forums.

They're the ones complaining about it....the owners.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 05:55 AM
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Terminal A at Newark was replaced recently and the new parking lot has a ton of EV chargers. You can even set when you're expecting to return so it'll have you charged up and ready to go upon arrival

https://www.plugshare.com/location/493443
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 07:42 AM
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New LAX parking building is the same. Entire 1st floor is EV parking (estimated to be 1200 units). Even better that you can pre-book/reserve your spot. You can plug in before you leave then start your charging remotely (you EV owners know the drill)
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 08:32 AM
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This is really the future IMO, just ubiquitous charging like that in garages. You wonder how you handle having an EV and living in an apartment building with a garage, thats how
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Just going by forums.... Tesla forums.

They're the ones complaining about it....the owners.
What Tesla forums are you referring to? I think I've seen one post on that subject, which was subsequently shot down with data. Maybe you just read the thread title.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Just going by forums.... Tesla forums.

They're the ones complaining about it....the owners.
I don't go by forums, as people who join forums are usually enthusiasts, people with questions, or people trying to find answers to issues they are having. Issues tend to get exaggerated. When I was part of the CivicX forum, you would think Honda engines were blowing up right and left. Similar in the IS350 2nd Gen forum, you would think they were all leaking or burning oil.

I've seen a ton of examples of Tesla's reaching 150K and more with 80 percent battery left that were mostly supercharged, and I've seen studies with Model S and X used for the Tesla shuttle service reaching 300k, all supercharged.

Superchargers use a charging curve to protect the batteries. Although it does put more strain on the battery than Level 2 charging, batteries have systems that protect them from excessive heat, which is the ultimate enemy of Lithium Ion batteries
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bob04
AAA tested this. Granted these are 2017/2018 models. 100 miles of range turned into 59 miles. For hot weather, it was less at 87 miles. Has something changed that much in the last few years?

https://info.oregon.aaa.com/aaa-stud...017%20percent.
Battery chemistry has changed since 2018, and modern EV's have extremely advanced battery management systems to regulate their temps in both extreme heat and cold. You do lose range in cold, that can't be denied, but you lose less range than battery packs from 2017/2018. Also heat pumps which are used to heat and cool the cabin and battery packs are a lot more efficient than heating elements. This very apparent when comparing my Polestar with my Model Y. My Polestar, which doesn't have a heat pump, loses a lot more range in the colder weather than my Model Y.

Obviously the more extremes in weather, the more energy will be lost. This apparent even in just my home electricity usage. I've jumped from June averaging about 640 kWh to November using nearly 1000 kWh
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 10:11 AM
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I actually know several people with high mileage Teslas, one with a Model S with over 200k. No issues with battery degradation.
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Old Dec 2, 2023 | 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I actually know several people with high mileage Teslas, one with a Model S with over 200k. No issues with battery degradation.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesl...lth-over-time/
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no issues is not the same as no degradation. My R1S is rated at 274 range (because of my 20in ATs). If my range was in the 240s after 200K miles or 12 years I’d be pretty impressed
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Old Dec 3, 2023 | 07:37 AM
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Exactly Allen. Part of it to is an understanding. I have at times in my life driven old cars with at or over 150k-200k miles. I own one, my 2003 ES that my mom drives, it has 211,000 miles on it. Its beat up, the headlights are totally tan and opaque, the wheels are peeling. I have an understanding that its an old car, its not going to operate like it did, look like it did, feel like it did. Its old. My friends with the 200k mile Teslas have battery degradation and range loss, but they have no issue with it because their cars are old and at this point they are basically driving them for free or very low cost.
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Old Dec 3, 2023 | 10:07 AM
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We've been doing a lot of driving in the EQS this week/weekend and I've been having fun figuring out how the air suspension behaves and operates under various drive modes on the highway. These are some of my observations:

Comfort (without exceeding 75 mph)
This is the softest setting. The ride is floaty, boaty, wafty, comfortable. Your passengers will probably fall asleep. As the driver, you'll struggle to not fall asleep

Comfort Low (after exceeding 75 mph, without dropping below 50 mph)
In comfort mode, once you exceed 75 mph, the ride height drops. I really like this mode on the highway. It feels a lot more like a sport sedan. Almost all of the floatiness previously mentioned is gone and the ride stays a lot more flat with less up and down motions. But it still does a great job being comfortable and absorbing bumps. Your passengers will still be able to sleep in this mode.

Sport (without exceeding 75 mph)
Sport mode firms up the dampers and air suspension, but ride height is unchanged. The ride feels similar to Comfort Low in that it feels like a sport sedan but now bumps and imperfections start to hit a little harder. It's starting to get firm but staying on the comfortable side. Up and down body motions are really reduced and controlled. Passengers will probably have a harder time staying asleep in this mode, but it could just maybe be doable.

Sport Lowest (after exceeding 75 mph, without dropping below 50 mph)
In Sport mode, once you exceed 75 mph, the suspensions drops to its lowest ride height, lower than Comfort Low. This is the most shocking suspension profile in my opinion. It gets SO stiff. I've often talked about how stiff and unforgiving our Model Y suspension is. There is NO FLOAT in the Model Y ever, almost like there's no suspension. Sport Lowest in the EQS feels a lot like this. You feel all of the road suddenly, bumps and dips hit hard. It completely stops absorbing the road and lets you feel all of it. Your passengers will not be able to sleep in this mode.

It's actually a lot of fun and very confidence inspiring for more dynamic driving at speed. It's very impressive. I would not have expected MB to give such a large and heavy SUV this kind of spread in its suspension tuning/abilities but I'm sure glad they did. And then the craziest and most fun part is once you're done with that, you can change the drive mode back to Comfort with standard ride height and you're suddenly driving a different car. It's back to being calm, quiet, plush, floaty, etc. The struggle to stay awake comes back, etc. I really find it shocking how far they took the settings in Sport Lowest.
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