Maybe so, can't wait to find out. TY

So true IMO, that's why looking forward to hear the reasons.

Thank you for giving your reasons.

Thank you for giving your reasons.

This is the part of your post that interests me. Not what others think, just your thoughts.

 

And 20 years from now, it will still be 50 years, just like it was 20 years ago. If EVs can't be made better long before that, then ICE isn't anywhere near done like many claim.

And you can "chalk me up" as someone who will buy one when they are better and will drive what I want until then.

 

I think EVs will get better. Battery powered hand tools stunk 10 years ago and I wouldn't touch them. Now I have over 30 RYOBI 18v and 40v tools and love them. But an EV doesn't fit our lifestyle currently, no matter how many people who don't live my life tells me it does. But they will one day, and I'll gladly switch. Doesn't mean I still use AOL and have a landline.

I think a lot of the resentment today is that people feel that ICE and fossil fuels are being undermined to force EVs, hitting them hard in the pocketbook. I often see the horse and carriage to automobiles used as an analogy as to why people should convert to EVs now. But nobody had to go around crippling horses to get people to buy a car. Especially when you can't even get an EV right now. Long waiting lists.

Your thoughts?

 

I may be way off base but I believe a lot of "hate" for EVs is not really hate for EVs but hate for Tesla and in particular Elon Musk and tge cult following. I myself am not a fan of the guy and would not support him in any way for several reasons. The cult following just adds the cherry on top. This does not mean that every one that owns a Tesla is a part of the cult but let's be honest, some Tesla fans can be a bit over the top.

I would seriously consider an EV today if my commute was longer (currently only 10 miles round trip) and if I didn't live in an apartment. However, I doubt I would ever consider a Tesla. Elon being the biggest reason and i think every tesla looks awful except the Model S which looks damn good on the road. However for the money I would rather spend it on something else. Not that i dont think its worth it, but there are other cars I would want much more in that price range.

 

Nothing to be sorry for, I know you weren't directing it at me. I have pretty thick skin anyway

 

I dunno, I think both the lovers and the haters get an equal amount of digs around here.

For me, I'm highly moderate for the majority of aspects in life, an exception would be my dire-hard loyalty to Bay Area sports. That said any animosity towards EVs for me at least is more catered to the manufacturer than the EV itself. I find the Mercedes design of the EQS similar to a blob and not worthy of flagship status, I don't think Lexus did enough to the powertrain on the RZ450e (just like they hardly ever differentiate with their Toyota cousins), While I find the exteriors of Tesla's appealing, the Model 3/Y interiors lack a cohesive design - more tacked on in the name of streamlining manufacturing. But EVs bring something to the table besides silent quickness (unless it's a Leaf ), such as Rivian and HummerEVs with their unique tank turns and crab walks, EVs (and some hybrids) allow for electric motors on each axle or even each wheel, makes things more configurable. In the end there's going to be some good and some bad, to each their own, nothing wrong with that so long as people show respect for others opinions.

I really want that Polestar 3

 

How can I be anti ICE when I I've been owning and driving them since the 80's? And I still own 3. I just think EV'S are better and the next evolution of the autos. That doesn't mean I automatically hate ICE cars. That's a conclusion you seem to be coming up with that I just don't understand

 

Not that you care, but I appreciate your above post. It shows your honest opinion of what you feel is happening with this changeover right now. There's really nothing I can add, except I agree that we have a ways to go and it shouldn't be hurried or forced on anyone. I don't believe it is, but we live in different parts of the country with different lifestyles.

 

I agree with you. For me it's a tool. Although I am really finding it hard to sell my IS350. I'm hoping the current buyer backs out while I'm waiting for the title to arrive (the original got lost)

 

I too absolutely love the 40v and 18v tools I have; hardly use my gas powered leaf blower.

Cons EV
mostly I think they look ugly, interiors are very plain vanilla type.Quality is not good as lexus, not sure if they will last as long our cars last.
Prices are Higher than traditional cars, not enough choices for different segents
changing tech- EV technology is changing quickly, I feel the new EV I buy will be old in 3 years and I will be motivated to upgrade like an iPhone (better battery, range features) vs ICE cars which other than infotainment system not much changes

saying all that EV is the feature we like it not. I also just placed an model y order 2 weeks ago

 

No hate but I own my vehicles outright and there's no way I'm getting into debt since the economy is imploding.

I also pee standing up.

 

Hmmm... Ok I'll open up a little.

Am I afraid of where I see things going? yes

Does all the stuff going on in the world that is outside the scope of the thread such as world politics scare me? oh year, but that goes for EV and ICE and not appropriate for CL as I read the terms.

Am I afraid of electric vehicles? hell no, I'm a comp sci major and my place is deep into the guts of electronics at the hardware level. Could probably make a fortune repairing the electronics on them.

Do I hate EV's? I don't love them or hate them and that's why I'm here to see what others think and hear the arguements PRO and CON- but dam- NOT IN EVERY THREAD! haha

Do I trust new technology: yes and thats not the issue- that's a 20 dimension equation with variables unknown when it comes to the future of cars in general IMO they way things are headed and have no idea where the vector will land in that equation

Will I buy an EV?Not a new one that's for sure because I don't drive enough miles to make it a good economical decision for myself plus I really don't want the extra strain of car payments but that goes for any car I buy unless it is a Long Term Keeper and never plan to sell it. But that's why I'm here- to hear all the arguements. However, if I want to be preached at I can always go to church and don't need to be here. lol

Am I open to buying an EV? sure why not because I have a carport at my residence where I can run a breaker for a home charger to plug in if I want and most of my driving is very short under 5 mile trips.

Thank you for letting me share my thoughts- not an EV hater but concerned about "What Comes Next" like everyone else. haha

 

Told you. You're a brave man!

 

Most EV “haters” have never driven one. I’ve driven the Tesla model S, P100 D and its a blast. In Ludicrous mode, that thing is a rocket. Even my friends Model Y dual motor is pretty quick. One pedal driving, autonomous mode and most of all the auto crawl mode for stop and go traffic is amazing.

I love my son’s smog exempt ‘74 Corvette. The rumble of the big V8 is so visceral. Many say EV’s are soulless. I see what they’re saying but-if they had a chance to drive a performance version of the Model S, like the Plaid, I think it may sway their opinion a bit.

The proposed California legislation is to go 100% EV for new cars sold in CA by 2035. That’s a while off. A lot can change by then. These proposals are often more of a statement of goal than a hard implementation date. I think market forces will dictate what ultimately happens.

When people lament the possible prohibition of new ICE vehicles in CA in 2035, I point to Cuba. Look how they’ve not had new American cars since the ‘50’s and they’re still going strong on the road there. I’m sure Californians can do the same and keep them going for generations to come. Or until they outlaw ICE’s completely.