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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 08:52 AM
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I have the Car and Driver magazine where it landed #1 back in 98. Ahead of Escalade, Range Rover, Navigator and Mercedes M.
I remember that!
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Its a shame it still has the "Ahoy matey!" body roll lol
That's what I've always liked about C&D lol.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I remember that!

Here it is.



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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
I have the Car and Driver magazine where it landed #1 back in 98. Ahead of Escalade, Range Rover, Navigator and Mercedes M.
The original Mercedes M was such awful garbage, Mercedes was working on it together with Mitsu, then Mitsu bailed out, and Mercedes rushed out a very half assed product. It was notoriously unreliable, very poorly built where everything on the interior and the exterior fell apart, and it depreciated like a broken condom.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Once awesome LX. Lands 4th in Car & Driver. Escalade, Navigator and Grand Waggoner all ahead.

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I think we can even squeeze in some more mid size SUVs into between #3 and 4. Lol. We were at a restaurant the other day waiting to be called. I told my wife.... Look, that's the new LX. She said, what? Why would someone pay that much for it? Yeah, I think it looks really bad. Knowing the inside and how it drives... yeah that's its place. What a shame. I had to come out to take a picture to see how bad it looked. I wonder if the owner saw me doing it and felt good that someone took a picture of his car.

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Originally Posted by Och
The original Mercedes M was such awful garbage, Mercedes was working on it together with Mitsu, then Mitsu bailed out, and Mercedes rushed out a very half assed product. It was notoriously unreliable, very poorly built where everything on the interior and the exterior fell apart, and it depreciated like a broken condom.
They fixed a lot by the time the facelift came, both from a reliability and quality standpoint. They are tough to actually destroy which is interesting - I see plenty zombie pre-facelift MLs in America and Europe. Also, apparently at the time of the DCX merger the Jeep engineers were apalled at what Mercedes had been up to with the ML's suspension and lent some tips for improvement by facelift time.
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They fixed a lot by the time the facelift came, both from a reliability and quality standpoint. They are tough to actually destroy which is interesting - I see plenty zombie pre-facelift MLs in America and Europe. Also, apparently at the time of the DCX merger the Jeep engineers were apalled at what Mercedes had been up to with the ML's suspension and lent some tips for improvement by facelift time.
It was a low point for mercedes, the interior trim in these would disintegrate, seat/windows motors would fail, and mechanically it was one bid disaster. Suspension wise, it was very unusual - a BOF setup with independent rear suspension, so Jeep engineers probably did not fancy it. But then Jeep also had an unusual setup with a GC, where it was a unibody with solid rear axle if my memory serves me right.

There was a lot of talk of the current GC being built on the ML platform, but one of the members here (carmaker1?) explained it wasn't true.
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I think we can even squeeze in some more mid size SUVs into between #3 and 4. Lol. We were at a restaurant the other day waiting to be called. I told my wife.... Look, that's the new LX. She said, what? Why would someone pay that much for it? Yeah, I think it looks really bad. Knowing the inside and how it drives... yeah that's its place. What a shame. I had to come out to take a picture to see how bad it looked. I wonder if the owner saw me doing it and felt good that someone took a picture of his car.
Yeah. That rear end doesn’t look great.

the size I like. So a midsize to compare would not work as the LX does weight 6000lbs

At least it still has full time 4WD.
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Originally Posted by Och
It was a low point for mercedes, the interior trim in these would disintegrate, seat/windows motors would fail, and mechanically it was one bid disaster. Suspension wise, it was very unusual - a BOF setup with independent rear suspension, so Jeep engineers probably did not fancy it. But then Jeep also had an unusual setup with a GC, where it was a unibody with solid rear axle if my memory serves me right.

There was a lot of talk of the current GC being built on the ML platform, but one of the members here (carmaker1?) explained it wasn't true.
Solid rear AND front.......*stares at one in driveway* there some advantages, but the ride is "active" to say the least. Some find it exciting/busy in a good way and I lean into that camp

It's sad to see how the LX has fallen vs where it used to stand vs others.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Here it is.


Best generation LX, IMO. You all had one of these didn't you?
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Best generation LX, IMO. You all had one of these didn't you?
Yes we did. Before the interior refresh. Agreed. But generation. only issue was not enough HP
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yeah. That rear end doesn’t look great.

the size I like. So a midsize to compare would not work as the LX does weight 6000lbs

At least it still has full time 4WD.
Of course not weight and class size compatible. I was just being sarcastic. Lol Have you driven it? I feel it drives and feels like an I4 GLE.
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Seems weird they didn't have the Navigator in the most recent test. I would be curious to see how that stacked up.
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Seems weird they didn't have the Navigator in the most recent test. I would be curious to see how that stacked up.
Navigator is pretty old compared to these vehicles.



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