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Old Oct 28, 2023 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
but sure, i'm all for people getting what they need or want.
i will fight for one's right to be able to buy whatever they like, but i will potentially still judge them for it lol

and when i'm talking about pickups being unnecessary i'm not talking about anything like this:



but i have no patience or sympathy for something like this lol:



or this guy, who drove into a stationary object because he couldn't see over the needlessly big hood and then blamed the object

(not my 'haha' btw, haha)
Old Oct 28, 2023 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Stroock639
i will fight for one's right to be able to buy whatever they like, but i will potentially still judge them for it lol



but i have no patience or sympathy for something like this lol:




Agreed.....that can be a real problem for shorter people. And pulling down on the door-grip like that with all your body-weight to get up won't do the door-hinges any good over time.

or this guy, who drove into a stationary object because he couldn't see over the needlessly big hood and then blamed the object
If you think the F-150 is bad in that respect, the Silverado is even worse.


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Old Oct 28, 2023 | 05:35 PM
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Thats why you have forward facing cameras
Old Oct 28, 2023 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, if I remember correctly, the Toyota Tundra's first V8, some years ago, was a Lexus-derived 4.7L.....that was a case of a truck getting a car-derived V8.
And the 2nd gen tundras 5.7 is a simplified 4.6 out of the LS460 and the current 3.5 is a simplified version of the LS500s V6.

There has never been a truck engine that wasn't first in the cars
Old Oct 28, 2023 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Thats why you have forward facing cameras
Yep. My easiest to park etc cars are my largest ones.....

I also say let people drive whatever they want, trucks are great as a one car solution to anything you may need them to do. I did that at first then decided to optimize my cars for each job.
Old Oct 28, 2023 | 07:15 PM
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My 04 4R is best and easiest to park. I love that vehicle
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 08:43 AM
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Everyone drives what they want, of course.

But, we can comment and criticize the practicality of it, it's fair game Lol

For example, who can make a good case for air suspension being a "NEED".

I didn't need Super Swampers on my jacked up Bronco.

I only went mudding a few times and could've rolled with friends but I loved that truck. 🤣

Old Oct 29, 2023 | 09:25 AM
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If you regularly go off-roading, visit locations that are not on paved roads (from businesses to people's homes to nature parks and trails), often have varying loads of cargo or people, deal with snow and inclement weather, do a lot of highway or long distance driving, I'd say you'd be better off in a car with air suspension.

If a car without air suspension on coil springs can't get to certain locations you need to travel to often without scraping parts of the bumpers or underbody and causing damage, would that finally cross over into the "need" side of things?

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Old Oct 29, 2023 | 10:14 AM
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A lot of people I’ve met over the years like SUVs, trucks, or crossovers because they feel safer. Most of these people say about themselves that they are not good drivers. I also see a lot of bad drivers in small SUVs (RAV4 and CRV, I’m looking it you). Who’s going to save the rest of us from you?
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 10:45 AM
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Air suspension has too many failure points to be a “need”
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Air suspension has too many failure points to be a “need”
This is correct IMO.
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
Everyone drives what they want, of course.

But, we can comment and criticize the practicality of it, it's fair game Lol

For example, who can make a good case for air suspension being a "NEED".

I didn't need Super Swampers on my jacked up Bronco.

I only went mudding a few times and could've rolled with friends but I loved that truck. 🤣
Practicality is in the eye of the beholder.

Originally Posted by link13
A lot of people I’ve met over the years like SUVs, trucks, or crossovers because they feel safer. Most of these people say about themselves that they are not good drivers. I also see a lot of bad drivers in small SUVs (RAV4 and CRV, I’m looking it you). Who’s going to save the rest of us from you?
Its because the "ordinary non enthusiast people" who used to buy Camrys and Accords now buy Rav4s and CRVs. There is nothing more dangerous to other drivers about a small SUV like a Rav4 or CRV than a midsized sedan. If anything the higher sightlines help people who aren't super confident drivers.

As for air suspension, my experience with air suspension is such that I will always option it if its available, and if I happen to keep a car a long time and the air suspension requires repair (they are not as unreliable as they get credit for being) then so be it, I have had 100k+ miles of great service with an air suspension.

I like the additional ride polish, the additional road noise isolation, I like the ability to raise and lower the vehicle even in a sedan, and I like the load leveling capability. Having had the same car with and without air suspension (the LS460) has made me an air suspension convert for life.
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 11:59 AM
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Air suspension is not required for load or self levelling, but I agree it’s wonderful to have. I had it on my 4R. Still not a need
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 12:11 PM
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Never had any issues with air suspension and will always add it when it's available.

As for anything being a "need", you might as well argue that no one "needs" audio, AC, or myriad other features. You can get by without almost any comfort or performance option, but why would you want to?
Old Oct 29, 2023 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Air suspension is not required for load or self levelling, but I agree it’s wonderful to have. I had it on my 4R. Still not a need
Not a need, but something I would always rather have if it’s available.



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