Notices
Car Chat General discussion about Lexus, other auto manufacturers and automotive news.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Innova

General Car Conversation

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 18, 2023 | 03:55 PM
  #4201  
TangoRed's Avatar
TangoRed
Lead Lap
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,585
Likes: 24
From: Washington
Default

Originally Posted by Stroock639
it's a damn shame how many great cars just sit and rot, and especially when people are afraid to put "too many" miles on them

periodically going on a long enough drive to get the oil warmed up is crucial too since it allows any built up moisture to evaporate off and avoid this happening:



i get too much enjoyment from my cars to ever let them sit that long haha
That gunk under the cap is pretty harmless though. It's really not a big deal to leave most modern cars sitting for months at a time.
Old May 18, 2023 | 06:47 PM
  #4202  
mmarshall's Avatar
mmarshall
Lexus Fanatic
Community Builder
Community Influencer
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 94,208
Likes: 220
From: Virginia/D.C. suburbs
Default

Originally Posted by TangoRed
That gunk under the cap is pretty harmless though. It's really not a big deal to leave most modern cars sitting for months at a time.

Yes, it IS a big deal. Because of parasite-drain on the electrical system to keep the computers up, batteries often go dead after a couple of weeks if the engine is not run, unlubricated seals.and gaskets can dry out and deteriorate, moisture and contaminants build up in the oil sitting in the crankcase, the moving parts in the engine don't get lubed so there is metal-to-metal contact when the engine finally is started again, the fuel pump and oil pump deteriorate from lack of use, and the uncirculated coolant sitting in the radiator deteriorates. Engines were built to run, not sit.
Old May 18, 2023 | 07:59 PM
  #4203  
Margate330's Avatar
Margate330
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 11,062
Likes: 1,538
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by TangoRed
That gunk under the cap is pretty harmless though. It's really not a big deal to leave most modern cars sitting for months at a time.
That looks like moisture in the oil and what if that's in every nook and cranny of the engine, good golly gee whiz what a mess.

Have you lost your marbles TangoRed???
Spoiler
 


Old May 18, 2023 | 08:43 PM
  #4204  
TangoRed's Avatar
TangoRed
Lead Lap
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 4,585
Likes: 24
From: Washington
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes, it IS a big deal. Because of parasite-drain on the electrical system to keep the computers up, batteries often go dead after a couple of weeks if the engine is not run, unlubricated seals.and gaskets can dry out and deteriorate, moisture and contaminants build up in the oil sitting in the crankcase, the moving parts in the engine don't get lubed so there is metal-to-metal contact when the engine finally is started again, the fuel pump and oil pump deteriorate from lack of use, and the uncirculated coolant sitting in the radiator deteriorates. Engines were built to run, not sit.
A battery tender completely takes care of the electrical issue. As for your concerns over engine seals/gaskets and oil in the crankcase, it’s still not a big issue with modern cars. Porsches and Ferraris sit for several months at a time as the norm. My own family has several cars that stay parked at vacation homes for several months at a time and they haven’t suffered any undue issues. Things don’t deteriorate that fast. Even my 2002 ML500 didn’t move for a year when my cousin owned it and once it got a new battery and fluid changes, it went back into beater duty without issue.

Originally Posted by Margate330
That looks like moisture in the oil and what if that's in every nook and cranny of the engine, good golly gee whiz what a mess.

Have you lost your marbles TangoRed???
Spoiler
 



Hehe I thought you were serious at first. If that was found elsewhere in the engine I’d be very concerned. The plastic cap though? Nah that’ll be fine after a long drive. My ML500 rarely goes more than 5-10 miles a day (most days zero) and has that crap under the oil cap almost constantly, especially in the winter. All is well on the rare day I take it out on a longer drive. The Mercedes forums are full of people being surprised by that at first.
Old May 18, 2023 | 08:54 PM
  #4205  
Striker223's Avatar
Striker223
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 17,798
Likes: 1,680
From: Ohio
Default

My jeeps has sometimes sat for 4 months, zero issues and it doesn't have any sort of seal problems from it. My truck also only gets started every few months solely to bring everything up to temp and it's also totally fine but I has a tender and lives inside a controlled climate garage.

I have found that if cara are kept in a controlled climate space with sealed concrete below them plus a tender they do not degrade at all. Throw a cover over them to keep dust off as well if you like, and a set of wheel docks to keep tires round.
Old May 18, 2023 | 10:44 PM
  #4206  
Margate330's Avatar
Margate330
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 11,062
Likes: 1,538
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by mmarshall
Yes, it IS a big deal. Because of parasite-drain on the electrical system to keep the computers up, batteries often go dead after a couple of weeks if the engine is not run, unlubricated seals.and gaskets can dry out and deteriorate, moisture and contaminants build up in the oil sitting in the crankcase, the moving parts in the engine don't get lubed so there is metal-to-metal contact when the engine finally is started again, the fuel pump and oil pump deteriorate from lack of use, and the uncirculated coolant sitting in the radiator deteriorates. Engines were built to run, not sit.
I knew a man who had a heavy duty truck fleet and did road contracts.
He told me one day when business was slow that his truck had been sitting and said it's not good.

I asked why and he said," that letting the 'iron' sit was was the fastest way to kill them".
This was while he was pointing to his trucks lined up like dominos.

These were heavy duty diesel trucks tho but he was very concerned about the damage caused by letting them sit for months.

Originally Posted by TangoRed
Hehe I thought you were serious at first. If that was found elsewhere in the engine I’d be very concerned. The plastic cap though? Nah that’ll be fine after a long drive. My ML500 rarely goes more than 5-10 miles a day (most days zero) and has that crap under the oil cap almost constantly, especially in the winter. All is well on the rare day I take it out on a longer drive. The Mercedes forums are full of people being surprised by that at first.
I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I'd just have a heart attack instead. lol

But if you all say that the moisture only collects under the cap and doesn't get all thru the oil I'll go ahead and trust you on that.
Old May 19, 2023 | 06:14 AM
  #4207  
AJT123's Avatar
AJT123
Lexus Champion
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 16,740
Likes: 445
From: Knoxville, TN
Default

Originally Posted by Stroock639
it's a damn shame how many great cars just sit and rot, and especially when people are afraid to put "too many" miles on them
100000%. In a car like an R129? The top needs to be cycled also. These cars also love to be driven, you can feel the passion that went into it. It's good for them to drive them. Just make sure you keep them in tip top shape or you'll pay.

Originally Posted by Stroock639
periodically going on a long enough drive to get the oil warmed up is crucial too since it allows any built up moisture to evaporate off and avoid this happening:
Also 10000%, also glad you pointed out that it's the *oil* that's more important to warm up for future readers, etc. Most cars aren't fully warm when the coolant gauge reads otherwise, mine isn't. The oil catches up a little ways after the coolant.

Originally Posted by TangoRed
A battery tender completely takes care of the electrical issue. As for your concerns over engine seals/gaskets and oil in the crankcase, it’s still not a big issue with modern cars. Porsches and Ferraris sit for several months at a time as the norm. My own family has several cars that stay parked at vacation homes for several months at a time and they haven’t suffered any undue issues. Things don’t deteriorate that fast. Even my 2002 ML500 didn’t move for a year when my cousin owned it and once it got a new battery and fluid changes, it went back into beater duty without issue.
1998 per that post and my 2002 aren't modern cars, not really. While I disagree and just would drive the car around as I said every 2-3 weeks or so, it is good to know your Mercedes drivetrain which is identical to mine is a "beater". I knew the M113 was pretty much Japanese bulletproof, just nice to read that. How many miles?

It's important for me personally to get all the fluids warmed up pistons going seals lubricated etc, like I said...then gun it a tad. Issue solved. I'll never let my Mercedes sit for more than a week without driving it. I used to not drive the LS430 for months but would always warm it up even though that car could sit through a nuclear bomb and then start right up. Now it's the most driven car of our fleet lol.
Old May 19, 2023 | 09:11 AM
  #4208  
RadiantX45's Avatar
RadiantX45
Intermediate
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 299
Likes: 73
From: Oregon
Default


Does anyone find it weird that Lexus had no RWD or RWD biased electric SUVS with this reveal?
It's strange to me that the majority of pure EVs in the above pic are sedans, wagons, or 2 doors, all of which are declining in sales...


Don't get me wrong love a wagon but what happened to the LF-1 Limitless concept??? It would've competed nicely with the Model 3 and Mach E, certainly looks better than those options at least.


Old May 19, 2023 | 09:15 AM
  #4209  
Stroock639's Avatar
Stroock639
Lexus Test Driver
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 6,101
Likes: 423
From: Long Island
Default

Originally Posted by AJT123
Also 10000%, also glad you pointed out that it's the *oil* that's more important to warm up for future readers, etc. Most cars aren't fully warm when the coolant gauge reads otherwise, mine isn't. The oil catches up a little ways after the coolant.
that's why i'm happy my dad's 2015 E-class has an oil temp readout... when the oil is still "cold" the font will be shown in blue, and when it's finally "warm" (about 180°F) the font will turn white

from using that display i can tell you that it takes anywhere from 15-20+ minutes to get the oil up to operating temperature, depending on things like how cold it is outside and the type of driving that's been done
Old May 19, 2023 | 09:34 AM
  #4210  
AJT123's Avatar
AJT123
Lexus Champion
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 16,740
Likes: 445
From: Knoxville, TN
Default

Originally Posted by Stroock639
that's why i'm happy my dad's 2015 E-class has an oil temp readout... when the oil is still "cold" the font will be shown in blue, and when it's finally "warm" (about 180°F) the font will turn white

from using that display i can tell you that it takes anywhere from 15-20+ minutes to get the oil up to operating temperature, depending on things like how cold it is outside and the type of driving that's been done
Nice!! Yeah they swapped out the oil pressure gauge for oil temp for 1999, personally I'd rather have the oil pressure gauge because it's accurate. In LX570 the gauge is comically, comically conservative. I've never had nor seen one with a full pressure reading, or above half that I can remember. I think Toyota "splits" it, half is really full, etc so the typical Lexus buyer won't get nervous with a gauge reading extremely high no matter what it is other than gas.
Old May 19, 2023 | 09:54 AM
  #4211  
Toys4RJill's Avatar
Toys4RJill
Lexus Fanatic
10 Year Member
Community Builder
Active Streak: 30 Days
Liked
 
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 35,276
Likes: 305
From: ON/NY
Default






saw this time capsule today
Old May 19, 2023 | 10:49 AM
  #4212  
Margate330's Avatar
Margate330
Lexus Champion
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 11,062
Likes: 1,538
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by LexsCTJill

saw this time capsule today
That looks like an old Mercury Sable wagon to me.
I saw lots of elderly people driving those back in the day.
Old May 19, 2023 | 11:20 AM
  #4213  
JDR76's Avatar
JDR76
Lexus Champion
10 Year Member
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Nov 2013
Posts: 13,181
Likes: 1,832
From: WA
Default

I saw a Subaru Justy yesterday. Haven't seen one in years. Couldn't get a picture, unfortunately.
Old May 19, 2023 | 11:21 AM
  #4214  
SW17LS's Avatar
SW17LS
Thread Starter
Lexus Fanatic
Active Streak: 60 Days
Loved
Community Favorite
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 67,908
Likes: 3,839
From: Maryland
Default

That Sable is in great shape!
Old May 19, 2023 | 12:31 PM
  #4215  
AJT123's Avatar
AJT123
Lexus Champion
10 Year Member
Community Influencer
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 16,740
Likes: 445
From: Knoxville, TN
Default

I wonder which engine it has, the 3.0 or 3.8?

I have VERY fond memories of Grandparents and a 1988 blue Sable sedan.






All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:56 AM.