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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
Yeah, can't say I would ever want any of those things in my car. I feel much more relaxed when I'm not faced with screens and all these alerts. I get I'm one of the very few, especially for my age.
Then don't get those things, or if you buy a car with them, turn them off. You don't have to rail against them every time the topic comes up.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
Yeah, can't say I would ever want any of those things in my car. I feel much more relaxed when I'm not faced with screens and all these alerts. I get I'm one of the very few, especially for my age.

I'm certainly not the most knowledgeable about household smart tech but I've seen a few things. It's insane what they come out with. Yeah, I have no doubt your house would drive me crazy lol
You can just turn them off if you won't use them, my A8 has all this stuff and I just don't use any of it. The screen even folds away so you don't have to look at it.....same thing in the 460 and other cars, just turn the screen off if you don't need it for something. Lane assist and warnings can also be just turned off as well, same with adaptive cruise.
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
True, I live in a relatively small town but I've also lived in places that had tricky intersections. I've never once needed a device to tell me to be in the 2nd most right lane for a merge or whatever. It's nonsense but I don't expect you to agree. Of course you're going to think it's all great. There's no limit to what you consider great, useful tech that everyone should use.
This is an incredibly simplistic example. I have some interchanges nearby where there are 6 lanes that go 4 different places. Others where you have to exit the expressway to stay on the expressway, because the straight lanes become a county road. Others where you have to be in the correct lane three miles before your exit or you'll miss it. Still others where you have to exit right, then immediately get all the way to the left and exit left, or vice versa. One of those in particular, years ago was so confusing that a "vandal" put up a fake DOT sign to notify drivers, because thousands of people were missing the exit every single day. It was so helpful that no one noticed it was fake until years later.

Knowing what lane to be in well in advance can be very helpful in these situations--especially if you're unfamiliar with the area--to avoid making multiple lane changes at the last moment.

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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Margate330
If you vision was as bad as mine you will wonder how you ever drove without it.
I need it but even if I didn't I woud still want it, don't be a hat8r. lol
If your vision is so bad you need GPS lane recommendations because you can't read road signs or see the road ahead, please consider giving up your driver's license.
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
This is an incredibly simplistic example. I have some interchanges nearby where there are 6 lanes that go 4 different places. Others where you have to exit the expressway to stay on the expressway, because the straight lanes become a county road. Others where you have to be in the correct lane three miles before your exit or you'll miss it. Still others where you have to exit right, then immediately get all the way to the left and exit left, or vice versa. One of those in particular, years ago was so confusing that a "vandal" put up a fake DOT sign to notify drivers, because thousands of people were missing the exit every single day. It was so helpful that no one noticed it was fake until years later.

Knowing what lane to be in well in advance can be very helpful in these situations--especially if you're unfamiliar with the area--to avoid making multiple lane changes at the last moment.
Remember that the original issue raised was "distraction". Pre-GPS, at an interchange like this, if you were driving by yourself without a co-pilot, you were likely READING off of PRINTED DIRECTIONS. Which is more distracting @xjokerz ??? GPS or reading while you are driving???
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
If your vision is so bad you need GPS lane recommendations because you can't read road signs or see the road ahead, please consider giving up your driver's license.
Hi tex2620, you're funny. lol

I'm not blind enought to need a walking cane or anything.
I can't drive at night anymore and have trouble with distance so I drive safely as I can by not tailgating and driving like a maniac and stay away from all craziness on the road when I see it.

Mostly I lay back and try to give myself reasonable distance from others and drive as alert as possible.
I barely passed my driving eye exam and I'm due for renewal this year and I'm worried you can believe it.

My garmin GPS doesn't read my road signs for me but I wish it did- thus better apps like carplay or other apps thay may exist for my new radio headunit or however I can get something better.
But the "turn-by-turn" and "recommended lane to stay in" when lanes end or merge or split helps me a lot.

If I can't drive I'm screwed because wife can't do it,
For my job I use a jewlers style head piece and when needed a microscope for very delicate work.
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by geko29
This is an incredibly simplistic example. I have some interchanges nearby where there are 6 lanes that go 4 different places. Others where you have to exit the expressway to stay on the expressway, because the straight lanes become a county road. Others where you have to be in the correct lane three miles before your exit or you'll miss it. Still others where you have to exit right, then immediately get all the way to the left and exit left, or vice versa. One of those in particular, years ago was so confusing that a "vandal" put up a fake DOT sign to notify drivers, because thousands of people were missing the exit every single day. It was so helpful that no one noticed it was fake until years later.
Exactly! And imagine driving through that interchange for the first time having never seen it before.

This is the Springfield Interchange outside of Alexandria, VA. Its so complicated they call it the "mixing bowl" You have ramps off of ramps, off of ramps, where you need the third exit, but you have to take the first exit, then make the right of 3 choices off of the second exit on that ramp to get to choose the right exit off of that ramp. Oh...and some lanes go different directions depending on the time of day, AND there are express lanes that if you get into you won't have access to half the exits, which exits you won't know unless you live here, AND all this happens 60 feet in the air! You don't think its helpful to be told what lane to be in?!!?




Look at all of these signs within the span of 1/4 mile:





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Remember that the original issue raised was "distraction". Pre-GPS, at an interchange like this, if you were driving by yourself without a co-pilot, you were likely READING off of PRINTED DIRECTIONS. Which is more distracting @xjokerz ??? GPS or reading while you are driving???
Exactly! And looking around all over the place trying to figure out where you should be and not paying attention to driving, not to mention the anxiety that comes with the fear of making the wrong lane/exit choice and how that impacts your reaction times.

This is what he's saying "How can you not understand what lane you have to be in" because this is what he knows. Of course nobody needs to be told what lane they should be in for this exit:



The question always is "what did we used to do?" Well, interchanges like that didn't exist. The world isn't what it used to be, and never will be again. Tools like CarPlay and GPS and Google Maps and live traffic updates came to be because of the complexity of modern life and modern roads.

Thats another benefiit, traffic. I'm sure where he lives there isn't any traffic, but here taking the wrong route somewhere could make your trip take an hour longer, or more. Having real time traffic data with live routing keeps my driving time as low as it can be.

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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The question always is "what did we used to do?" Well, interchanges like that didn't exist. The world isn't what it used to be, and never will be again. Tools like CarPlay and GPS and Google Maps and live traffic updates came to be because of the complexity of modern life and modern roads.

Thats another benefiit, traffic. I'm sure where he lives there isn't any traffic, but here taking the wrong route somewhere could make your trip take an hour longer, or more. Having real time traffic data with live routing keeps my driving time as low as it can be.
Complex interchanges absolutely existed pre-GPS. Just more people missed their exit.

The example off the top of my head is the George Washington Bridge -- you better pay attention heading NY bound because the exits for the Henry Hudson Pkwy, Harlem River/FDR Drive and Major Deegan all come on you really fast and you may end up in the wrong Borough if you aren't paying attention.

But, yeah - live traffic data is a game changer. GPS use is not just about not knowing how to get to your destination - it's also about efficiency of your route. Anyone who uses Waze has seen the line of cars going down some side street, knowing that every single one of those Wazer is avoiding some traffic issue.

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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Complex interchanges absolutely existed pre-GPS. Just more people missed their exit.
They've gotten MORE complicated as time has gone on is the point

The example off the top of my head is the George Washington Bridge better pay attention heading NY bound because the exits for the Henry Hudson Pkwy, Harlem River/FDR Drive and Major Deegan all come on you really fast and you may end up in the wrong Borough if you aren't paying attention.
Totally...
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Old Jun 9, 2022 | 09:14 AM
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I'm not sure your qualifications to make this statement, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it may be.
I guess it's the same qualification that you're using to prove CarPlay/GPS are better than printed maps. Lol. I don't need my car to tell me which lane I'm in but I'm glad that it's there. And that's one of the reasons why I prefer stock Navi over CarPlay. Do we/I have to have the lane indicator or CarPlay/GPS? No. Can one drive without a lane indicator or CarPlay/GPS? Definitely. But as CarPlay/GPS, it's there for peace of mind and it helps make travelling more relaxed and at ease. As Steve posted, not all interstates are the same. I've been to some where there are layers above and below me with heavy traffic and short switching. Or even when heading into large freeway and then switching into a multiple splits. Can I tell which lane I need to be in without the indicator? Most likely. When traffic is fast and heavy, would I rather like to be able to see it on the screen where I can keep my eyes on the traffic? Definitely. And the reason it was mentioned in my post wasn't about the feature itself but to make the point that some OEM Navis are better CarPlay and why I prefer my OEM over CarPlay. You should read the post as a whole post and not just pick something out of context. But I get it. You can't see what I see just like the other dude can not see/agree with your/our perception about CarPlay/GPS.
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I guess it's the same qualification that you're using to prove CarPlay/GPS are better than printed maps. Lol. I don't need my car to tell me which lane I'm in but I'm glad that it's there. And that's one of the reasons why I prefer stock Navi over CarPlay. Do we/I have to have the lane indicator or CarPlay/GPS? No. Can one drive without a lane indicator or CarPlay/GPS? Definitely. But as CarPlay/GPS, it's there for peace of mind and it helps make travelling more relaxed and at ease. As Steve posted, not all interstates are the same. I've been to some where there are layers above and below me with heavy traffic and short switching. Or even when heading into large freeway and then switching into a multiple splits. Can I tell which lane I need to be in without the indicator? Most likely. When traffic is fast and heavy, would I rather like to be able to see it on the screen where I can keep my eyes on the traffic? Definitely. And the reason it was mentioned in my post wasn't about the feature itself but to make the point that some OEM Navis are better CarPlay and why I prefer my OEM over CarPlay. You should read the post as a whole post and not just pick something out of context. But I get it. You can't see what I see just like the other dude can not see/agree with your/our perception about CarPlay/GPS.
What does any of this have to do with you concluding I've never driven in heavy traffic before?
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I definitely agree that some OEM nav systems have features that are better than Google Maps/etc. But, I likely would never know because I am just comfortable using Google Maps.

I haven't used the OEM nav in either of my cars once.

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Holy crap guys?

Gps is nice when you pass through a major city that is new to you during rush hour for lane prediction so you don't waste time at the very least....

Like why are you fighting over this? You don't need to ever use it if you insist on paper for whatever reason but your phone freaking comes with it so???? It's just nice to go mindless and follow the direction box sometimes
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Like why are you fighting over this? You don't need to ever use it if you insist on paper for whatever reason but your phone freaking comes with it so???? It's just nice to go mindless and follow the direction box sometimes
But thats just dependent and lazy and you can't think for yourself, donchaknow? lol
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Originally Posted by xjokerz

Some of you wonder (and probably laugh deep down) why I still use CD's and prefer buttons. Well guess what... they're much easier to use while driving. Hands already on the wheel and want to skip to the next song. Press the up arrow on the steering wheel. Done. No tapping some ridiculous screen several times and getting caught up into all this different content.

Everyone acts like they can't live without carplay and all this crap. We did for years so it's not impossible. This world is just too wrapped up in their precious technology to not know any better. They think they must have the latest thing or their lives are no good.

Now, I would like to hear all your arguments as to why you think carplay and android auto are so essential. This should be good.
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