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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 02:14 PM
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I've actually found the lane direction to be super helpful. My wife and I were recently driving in a new area, and the freeways and local roads were several lanes wide. Having the nav tell me ahead of time which lane I needed to be in to catch a particular exit was super helpful. Not that I couldn't have figured it out on my own, but having more information is helpful and definitely avoided some last minute lane changes.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 02:18 PM
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Number of people that care about @xjokerz opinion on what they want in their navigation systems : 0

I have been driving since before Mapquest & printed out directions; the more help I can get with directions, the more I can focus on making sure the SUV in lane 3 swerving back and forth because they are using their phone with both hands doesn't hit me. And horns dont work, even air horns.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JDR76
I've actually found the lane direction to be super helpful.
Makes life for me easier too.
I'm leaning about carplay but I have a Garmin GPS old school style that plugs in cigarete lighter and tells me what lane to be in.
Help me tremendously when ramps merge into other ramps and everyone driving so crazy at least I know what lane to be in.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
In a case like this, while it's not really a big deal but if you are not on one of the two inner lanes, you won't know with CarPlay. On BMW's, there would be an arrow showing your current lane and pointed to the correct lane. All these are shown on HUD and instrumental cluster. Also when you need to zoom in/out, you would have to reach the screen and touch +/- and it can only do so much. On BMW's, just grab the big **** and rotate. Much safer IMO. As for hazard and speed checks, I read that these are reported by users? BMW's combines both, reported/fixed location and live. It can basically notify you if there's something ahead or a bumper/uneven surfaces. Some find these not too useful but I encountered some stuff on freeway that I would have run right into them. You do have to pay a small fee for speed check subscription. $25 for 15 months I believe. Not sure why they want this.
I really like and appreciate these features on the BMW nav/HUD. They make things more relaxed and safe driving in unfamiliar areas. We recently took a road trip from Chicago to Charlotte and driving through Indianaoplis, Cincinnati, Louisville and Charlotte and the feature came in very handy.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
Last September I drove 700 miles to pick up my ES. I looked it up on the map on my computer and wrote down a few general directions because it was the middle of Sacramento and I never drove there before. I didn't need a screen to tell me what lane I needed to be in when I got downtown and was fixing to make a turn.

I mean come on, learn to actually drive and think. All this tech is just making people lazy to where they no longer need to use their brain.
Why are you making such a big deal out of this? Lol, we get it, you hate technology. You should just let people use whatever they want to use and mind your own business, it doesn't affect you in any way.

Have you ever seen someone cut several lanes at the last minute just to make their turn or exit? This will actually help prevent that.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
You know though... some "luxury" cars don't have those buttons on the wheel either. I wonder if Steve's S has it. I've been in some MBs and they don't have those buttons.
It doesn't! If you are displaying the audio on the gauge display you can swipe up and down on the left hand thumbpad to forward or back track but thats the only way.

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These navigation systems are getting absurd. Telling you what lane to be in, when to prepare to make a turn, etc is ridiculous. Navigation should be a guide on how to get to a place. That's it. You don't need to be babied on how to get there. Learn to drive the automobile and use the navigation as a reference on where it is. That's all it should be. All of this nonsense needs to stop. What lane to be in. Jeez, how ridiculous.
You obviously don't live anywhere that has really complex roads. The point of telling you what lane to be in is to help you more smoothly make your turn. Lots of roads today in crowded urban areas are VERY complicated to figure out what lane you are supposed to be in to take the exit you are trying to take, especially if you are travelling and not familiar with the interchange.

The issue here is you automatically go "technology, bad" and you don't take any time to consider the situation the technology is trying to improve.

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Why are you making such a big deal out of this? Lol, we get it, you hate technology. You should just let people use whatever they want to use and mind your own business, it doesn't affect you in any way.
Some people just have to pass judgement on what other people do.

The bottom line is, distractions aren't going away. We have to engineer ways to mitigate distractions.

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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LexBob2
I really like and appreciate these features on the BMW nav/HUD. They make things more relaxed and safe driving in unfamiliar areas. We recently took a road trip from Chicago to Charlotte and driving through Indianaoplis, Cincinnati, Louisville and Charlotte and the feature came in very handy.
Definitely. Unless one is in the situation, s/he can’t really understand/appreciate.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
If that's what you got out of the post, then... that's your problem. Lol You have obviously not experienced heavy traffic enough to make such statement. When you're in a new area with heavy traffic and crossing freeways, all you want to do is to just keep your ears open and your eyes on the HUD.
I'm not sure your qualifications to make this statement, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as wrong as it may be.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
It doesn't! If you are displaying the audio on the gauge display you can swipe up and down on the left hand thumbpad to forward or back track but thats the only way.



You obviously don't live anywhere that has really complex roads. The point of telling you what lane to be in is to help you more smoothly make your turn. Lots of roads today in crowded urban areas are VERY complicated to figure out what lane you are supposed to be in to take the exit you are trying to take, especially if you are travelling and not familiar with the interchange.

The issue here is you automatically go "technology, bad" and you don't take any time to consider the situation the technology is trying to improve.



Some people just have to pass judgement on what other people do.

The bottom line is, distractions aren't going away. We have to engineer ways to mitigate distractions.
True, I live in a relatively small town but I've also lived in places that had tricky intersections. I've never once needed a device to tell me to be in the 2nd most right lane for a merge or whatever. It's nonsense but I don't expect you to agree. Of course you're going to think it's all great. There's no limit to what you consider great, useful tech that everyone should use.

While we're at it, why don't they create a system where you're driving on a road and you say "blinker right" and the car will automatically turn it on for you instead of lifting a finger. How about instead of using your foot to apply the brakes, you say something like "brake stop" and it'll gradually bring you to a stop. What else should be developed so we can become lazier and not needing to think for ourselves?
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
True, I live in a relatively small town but I've also lived in places that had tricky intersections. I've never once needed a device to tell me to be in the 2nd most right lane for a merge or whatever. It's nonsense but I don't expect you to agree. Of course you're going to think it's all great. There's no limit to what you consider great, useful tech that everyone should use.
You don't NEED navigation to tell you that, but it telling you that can make navigating in a busy place you aren't familiar with much easier. Not everything has to fill a NEED. Life is full of things that we can in fact survive without.

No, I have no issue with development of any technology. But, there is no technology anybody can develop that you would think was useful. The only person telling people what they should and shouldn't like and what they should and shouldn't use is you. Nobody here is trying to convince you to use technology you don't want to use, but you are trying to tell us we are lazy foolish people for liking the technology we enjoy using. Just worry about yourself, if you want to live your life devoid of technology go for it, but it is beyond tiresome that every discussion of technology and features here becomes an argument for the very existence of technology because of you.

While we're at it, why don't they create a system where you're driving on a road and you say "blinker right" and the car will automatically turn it on for you instead of lifting a finger. How about instead of using your foot to apply the brakes, you say something like "brake stop" and it'll gradually bring you to a stop. What else should be developed so we can become lazier and not needing to think for ourselves?
Why would we want to do any of that when automated driving systems will just do most of the driving for us? And you accused others of taking your viewpoint to the extreme by suggesting you use crank windows and listen to AM radio, but you are doing the same thing here.

And I am not lazy, nor do I have problems thinking for myself. I will put my work ethic and intelligence against anybody's, anytime.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by xjokerz
These navigation systems are getting absurd. Telling you what lane to be in, when to prepare to make a turn, etc is ridiculous. Navigation should be a guide on how to get to a place. That's it. You don't need to be babied on how to get there. Learn to drive the automobile and use the navigation as a reference on where it is. That's all it should be. All of this nonsense needs to stop. What lane to be in. Jeez, how ridiculous.
If you vision was as bad as mine you will wonder how you ever drove without it.
I need it but even if I didn't I woud still want it, don't be a hat8r. lol
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You don't NEED navigation to tell you that, but it telling you that can make navigating in a busy place you aren't familiar with much easier. Not everything has to fill a NEED. Life is full of things that we can in fact survive without.

Why would we want to do any of that when automated driving systems will just do most of the driving for us? And you accused others of taking your viewpoint to the extreme by suggesting you use crank windows and listen to AM radio, but you are doing the same thing here.
How is it extreme? You want to use navigation to know how to get somewhere, fine. I just honestly don't get why anyone needs to be told which lane they need to be in for making a turn or why they want to be babied every step of the way. You'll say you don't need it, but it's helpful. Doesn't it get old wanting to rely on a device to do anything for you?

Sign recognition is another one I don't get. The sign will come up on your instrument cluster like the S90 I drove a couple years ago.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 05:52 PM
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I think some people (person) just enjoy playing devils advocate on this and related subjects.
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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 07:25 PM
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How is it extreme? You want to use navigation to know how to get somewhere, fine. I just honestly don't get why anyone needs to be told which lane they need to be in for making a turn or why they want to be babied every step of the way. You'll say you don't need it, but it's helpful. Doesn't it get old wanting to rely on a device to do anything for you?

Sign recognition is another one I don't get. The sign will come up on your instrument cluster like the S90 I drove a couple years ago.
I don’t consider using and enjoying technology that makes things easier for me to be a reliance on it. I can drive a car without those features no problem, although I would prefer not to. It’s not like I get into a car without traffic sign recognition and forget how to tell what the speed limit is.

Speaking of that technology, the point is that you always know what the speed limit is, you just look down at the gauge cluster. And the autonomous driving will maintain the speed limit for you if you want it to, or it will alert you when you exceed the speed limit by a set amount if you want it to.

Just because we like these technologies does not make us lazy. I pay someone to scrub my toilets, that doesn’t mean I don’t know how to scrub a toilet.

At the end of the day, you simply may choose not to use these technologies. I don’t understand why their existence makes you angry…like I’m not a big HUD person, I don’t particularly care for them. But, their existence doesn’t make me angry, nor am I upset that people like them.

My smart house would drive you nuts lol

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Old Jun 8, 2022 | 07:38 PM
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I don’t consider using and enjoying technology that makes things easier for me to be a reliance on it. I can drive a car without those features no problem, although I would prefer not to. It’s not like I get into a car without traffic sign recognition and forget how to tell what the speed limit is.

Speaking of that technology, the point is that you always know what the speed limit is, you just look down at the gauge cluster. And the autonomous driving will maintain the speed limit for you if you want it to, or it will alert you when you exceed the speed limit by a set amount if you want it to.

Just because we like these technologies does not make us lazy. I pay someone to scrub my toilets, that doesn’t mean I don’t know how to scrub a toilet.

At the end of the day, you simply may choose not to use these technologies. I don’t understand why their existence makes you angry…like I’m not a big HUD person, I don’t particularly care for them. But, their existence doesn’t make me angry, nor am I upset that people like them.

My smart house would drive you nuts lol
Yeah, can't say I would ever want any of those things in my car. I feel much more relaxed when I'm not faced with screens and all these alerts. I get I'm one of the very few, especially for my age.

I'm certainly not the most knowledgeable about household smart tech but I've seen a few things. It's insane what they come out with. Yeah, I have no doubt your house would drive me crazy lol
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