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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
Today my boss, who's the CFO took me out to lunch in his really cool 5 series BMW. Comfortable, quiet, nice smooth TT Inline 6. He said he loves everything about this car EXCEPT when he has to take it in for service. Just had his 30K mile service...$1500 for a freaking oil change and a few filters, LOL. $1500 is nothing to him, he can afford it but Holy ****!! Another reason there's no German cars sitting in my driveway
Well if he bought that car new, all scheduled maintenance (incl oil changes) are no charge for 3 years/36K miles. So, yeah, $1500 really is $0 to him....
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 08:27 AM
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I got to see your comment before you deleted it, and the M340i (I corrected it) has a pretty potent TT 3.0L 6. Paired with the ZF 8 speed, it will definitely outperform the Lexus autos I listed. No shame in that, as they are great cars in their own right
3-Series have "Twin Power" turbo, not twin turbo. It's a single twin-scroll turbo.
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 08:52 AM
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3-Series have "Twin Power" turbo, not twin turbo. It's a single twin-scroll turbo.
Thanks for correcting that, my knowledge of BMW's and their inner workings is limited
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
I think you mis-read my post. I was commenting about the reliability of the German 48V, MB's in particular. I don't follow it closely and it may be batch related. However, if a battery dies but driver is unable to jump start, that's a big design flaw to me.
I didn't misread, it was a comment on the fact that the Mercedes 48V system has to do quite a bit more work than other brands' systems. The lack of a 12V battery I mentioned is directly related the problem you linked.
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
I'm not really into tech at this deep level to know how well they work, but apparently some claim due to this 48V, *** works very smoothly in their opinion. BMW's 48v is not bad but MB"s is quite serious on at least one particular model. In any case, I think their MPG is good regardless..
48V is not needed. Only serves to help with fuel economy, nothing more. I guess you could say that the 48V helps with the start stop but why need it? Just let the engine run. Some falsely think the S class needs the 48v system for all the electronics, but that is not true as the 580 is 48V V8 while the 680 is non-48V with the V12. Same car. Then there is the diesel S class


Originally Posted by 1111GS
You do have a point there. "Over implementing" is probably a better way to say it. IMO their NPI engineers and/or R/D management team were not doing their job right. When certain things randomly work or turn on/off themselves on a new vehicle, that's poor engineering or management execution.
Thanks. Happy you can see my POV


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. However, if a battery dies but driver is unable to jump start, that's a big design flaw to me.
If true…yes. Very big design flaw.


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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 1111GS
I think you mis-read my post. I was commenting about the reliability of the German 48V, MB's in particular. I don't follow it closely and it may be batch related. However, if a battery dies but driver is unable to jump start, that's a big design flaw to me.
That was a bad batch of batteries. You can jump start the car but not if the battery itself is defective.
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Definitely a poorly designed seat cooler on the IS. How is the ventilation function on the Plaid?
Not sure yet, it’s been too cold to test. Heated seats work well and the heated steering wheel gets hotter than most of the cars I’ve had.

What’s weird is both my X7 and Plaid heated steering wheels start off very very hot but either I get used to it or it tapers off. Regardless both work well.
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Not sure yet, it’s been too cold to test. Heated seats work well and the heated steering wheel gets hotter than most of the cars I’ve had.

What’s weird is both my X7 and Plaid heated steering wheels start off very very hot but either I get used to it or it tapers off. Regardless both work well.
I think most do that. My LX does it, then eventually turns off. The Enclave however burns your hands off and stays that way.
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Old Mar 11, 2022 | 08:46 PM
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Most foreign cars taper off I have found, my A8 actually tries to match the wheel to your requested HVAC temp. The LS starts hot and then goes into a steady state based on HVAC setting as well, overall it works great and is one of the best I have used outside of US brands.
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Old Mar 12, 2022 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
I think most do that. My LX does it, then eventually turns off. The Enclave however burns your hands off and stays that way.
Lexus has climate concierge. Funny we are talking about asian vs German engineering, Lexus says they had it first before any other brand way back in 2007. Seat heaters, cooling seats, steering wheel and the HVAC are all connected to adjust the temp. Toyota also has rapid heating, the seat got hot very very fast and then the temperature decreases as you drive.

As for air conditioning seats, I really like the ones I have in my 4R. Very cool (no pun) as they remove the heat. The work both on the seat and back rest.
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Old Mar 13, 2022 | 09:06 AM
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I find it amazing how variable the quality of ventillated seats is. The ones in my S Class are quite mediocre. They're excellent in the Pacifica, LS was better than the S Class but not as good as those in the Pacifica. Was just in a rented Buick Enclave for a week and they were quite good.
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Old Mar 30, 2022 | 08:38 AM
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Discovered today that my 04 4Runner comes with a low level washer fluid light on the dash, but also a 20 in long dip stick to measure the washer fluid manually. I was filling up the fluid today and I thought, "what was that?" and so I pulled the plastic part and out comes this dip stick.





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Old Mar 30, 2022 | 08:52 AM
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Discovered today that my 04 4Runner comes with a low level washer fluid light on the dash, but also a 20 in long dip stick to measure the washer fluid manually. I was filling up the fluid today and I thought, "what was that?" and so I pulled the plastic part and out comes this dip stick.



Washer fluid is thick enough to have an accurate dip stick reading?
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Old Mar 30, 2022 | 01:20 PM
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Thats bizarre!
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Old Mar 30, 2022 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by tex2670
Washer fluid is thick enough to have an accurate dip stick reading?
Yes, it is.

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