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Old Dec 31, 2021 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
When they say "this generation", I'm assuming they mean for 5 more years. I've haven't read anything on this, so correct me if I'm wrong
Yeah they will continue to build cars with the engines they have for some time, they just won't replace these engines with new ICE engines
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Yeah they will continue to build cars with the engines they have for some time, they just won't replace these engines with new ICE engines
Did Mercedes actually say they will abandon ICE engine development? or is it some blog site or "report" that spread this information.
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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 07:40 AM
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Did Mercedes actually say they will abandon ICE engine development? or is it some blog site or "report" that spread this information.
No they did, it was reported in multiple publications
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No they did, it was reported in multiple publications
trying to find exactly what they said. but no luck.
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Old Jan 1, 2022 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
trying to find exactly what they said. but no luck.
Just Google "Mercedes ends ICE" and its full of articles.

https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/08...stion-engines/

Markus Schäfer is in charge of development on the board of Mercedes-Benz and of day-to-day business as COO on the Daimler board. Schäfer told the German publication Handelsblatt that everyone must recognise that the transformation of the vehicle industry towards electric drives may happen much faster than previously assumed. “In any case, we are preparing for an earlier changeover,” he said. He added that “in terms of products, there is no longer any rational reason to opt for a combustion engine in the near future”. Just last month the Daimler Group announced that Daimler’s passenger car and van divisions and the truck & bus businesses are each to form a single “pure play” company. Daimler Truck AG will be spun off and listed on the stock market as an independent company. Until now, the company has set 2039 as the target for a zero-emission new car fleet.
The original statement was from 2019 and things have only accelerated since then.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Just Google "Mercedes ends ICE" and its full of articles.

https://www.electrive.com/2021/03/08...stion-engines/



The original statement was from 2019 and things have only accelerated since then.

They didn't actually say they would stop it. And your link reads "considers"

"Daimler considers earlier stop to combustion engines"



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Unpleasantly surprised about the interior quality or lack of. Most of the money must have gone into all the screens.
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They consider an EARLIER stop. Thats a newer article than the original 2019 article that said that development was stopped and that they woudln't SELL any ICEs past 2039. Read more carefully and check the dates. I mean, you said you couldn't find it yet when I did one simple Google I was shown dozens of sources:

https://electrek.co/2019/09/19/daiml...electric-cars/

According to German magazine Auto Motor und Sport, Daimler development chief Markus Schaefer said that they currently have no plans to develop a next-generation combustion engine and they are focusing on new electric powertrains
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Unpleasantly surprised about the interior quality or lack of. Most of the money must have gone into all the screens.
To be clear, the interior is very high quality, its just not S Class quality, and no other Mercedes interior is.
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And from Motor Trend:

https://www.motortrend.com/news/mercedes-benz-ev-2025/

Another day, another automaker promising to pivot hard toward electric vehicles by around 2025. This time, it's Mercedes, which announced that "All newly launched architectures will be electric-only from 2025 onwards." What does that mean, exactly? Well, it does not mark the end of internal combustion power at Mercedes, though it does reveal its days are likely numbered.

The phrasing Mercedes uses in its announcement is key: "All newly launched architectures", and not all new vehicles, will be electric. This implies that gas- and diesel-fed cars and SUVs will still be available from Mercedes in 2025; however, after that point, all non-electric Mercedes models will not enjoy the promise of all-new platforms in the future.

So, assume Mercedes redesigned every vehicle in its lineup in 2024 and 2025 (a big if). Then that gives the brand's traditional cars and SUVs about a five-to-seven-year shelf life before needing a redesign, based on current industry practice. This timeline jibes with the three-pointed star's vague allusion to going "all electric at the end of the decade," albeit "where market conditions allow. "
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
To be clear, the interior is very high quality, its just not S Class quality, and no other Mercedes interior is.
LS460 build quality? (Obviously it is ridiculous outclassed in tech.) LS430?
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LS460 build quality? (Obviously it is ridiculous outclassed in tech.) LS430?
No. No Mercedes has LS460 material quality but the S Class. every other Mercedes uses some hard plastics and lower rent materials.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
LS460 build quality? (Obviously it is ridiculous outclassed in tech.) LS430?
No, you would need an optioned S to compete with most 460s
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A Basic S would still compete with a 460. The key difference is there are no areas of hard plastic in an S Class at all, same is true of the LS (all of them 400-500). Everything is padded or stitched, wood, leather, metal or fabric. When you go down to a lesser Mercedes you find hard plastic on the sides of the console, rear of the console, you find those hard vinyl sunvisors, etc. Lexus uses fabric sunvisors on every model, but below the LS you will also find hard plastics in those same areas. Below the E Class in the MB line they maintain quality much better than Lexus, and when you get to say the ES and lower, MB interiors have much better materials than Lexus interiors. I don't mention the SUVs because all Lexus SUVs have low quality materials in places including the LX.
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Just as a followup, the EQS580 I sat in with the $50,000 markup is sold.
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