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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:15 PM
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Imagine what Elon could accomplish if he wasn't so toxic and divisive.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jrmckinley
Top Gear review. The Design & Engineering part is really interesting (from 8 min to 15 min). Engineering this is a whole new level of complexity- it is mind boggling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uefydJUbRhc
Great review. I'll admit this vehicle is growing on me. The engineering that went into this is mind blowing. I understand why Tesla probably didn't want to hand out RC vehicles to reviewers, they wanted everyone to see the completed product. And now I know why it took 4 years....
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:25 PM
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I never said I didn't respect what he's accomplished. I just said I dislike him as a person. Am I not entitled to my opinion in your world?
This is my opinion on Elon myself. Only a fool would not respect his accomplishments, I just think he's also a fairly despicable person.

Would me feeling that way keep me from buying a Tesla? No.

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Imagine what Elon could accomplish if he wasn't so toxic and divisive.
​​​​​​​Exactly....
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
OK, call me impressed! Beat a 911 towing a 911 LoL 🤣. Pricing not as bad as I thought it would be:




On the other hand, the top of the line F-150 Raptor is $130k, so the Cyber Truck is priced way below Ford's top of the line truck
maybe covered in between, but i see the rwd one is showing delivery in 2025 and the other two in 2024. so no one's getting a cybertruck under 80k for at least a year, and most likey NEVER.
gee, i seem to remember predicting that about a year ago.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
​​​​​​​Exactly....
Sarcasm doesn't always translate on the internet, Elon is arguably the most successful businessman in history.
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gee, i seem to remember predicting that about a year ago.
Some you get right some you don't. Keep in mind inflation since 2019 is at least 25%.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
maybe covered in between, but i see the rwd one is showing delivery in 2025 and the other two in 2024. so no one's getting a cybertruck under 80k for at least a year, and most likey NEVER.
gee, i seem to remember predicting that about a year ago.
I'll virtually pat your the back

The early adopters are going to basically fund the lower cost Cyber Trucks, which is not unusual. I remember long lines of people paying $600 for the first iPhone when carriers were essentially giving away free phones, company execs and engineers paying $120K for a Model S or X, and many friends, co workers and acquaintances with their smartphones putting down $1000 deposits on the Model 3 when it was announced.

The other thing to note is, $39K 4 years ago is not the same as $39K today, so the pricing is about right
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Sarcasm doesn't always translate on the internet, Elon is arguably the most successful businessman in history.
Twitter would disagree...

Elon is a visionary for sure, but there is a difference between being a visionary and being a great businessman.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Twitter would disagree...

Elon is a visionary for sure, but there is a difference between being a visionary and being a great businessman.
Certainly. Nikola Tesla died penniless and alone. Elon is the worlds richest human and he's just getting started IMO. As for Twitter now X, currently it is a poor financial proposition. Currently. Tesla used to be a financial dumpster fire. BTW Twitter pre-Elon never made money.

Back to Cybertruck what makes me bullish as an investor is most of the spending for Cybertruck is already baked in.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
One of my co-workers was expecting the $39K RWD, he's probably going to back out because he doesn't want to spend $60k
you mean 80K. and the under 40k 'prediction' was FOUR YEARS AGO during which time materials, labor and shipping costs have probably doubled. actually yeah... 40k then, 80k now.

my lc500 is seeming cheaper by the day.

Originally Posted by Blaze876
Right now Ford has almost 9,000 new lightning trucks on dealer lots waiting to be sold.
whether they're in transit or waiting parts or whatever, given that they've scaled back production plans, there's clearly too many available.

i predict ford will have a fire sale on lightnings, dropping the price 25k or so to move 'em on through.

Originally Posted by swajames
I actually reserved one four years ago.
do you plan to still use that reservation?

Originally Posted by LeX2K
Imagine what Elon could accomplish if he wasn't so toxic and divisive.
i believe he would accomplish much less. remember, steve jobs was a total jerk, even disowning his own daughter.

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I just think he's also a fairly despicable person.
triggered much? i think that's a ludicrous opinion.

Originally Posted by LeX2K
Some you get right some you don't. Keep in mind inflation since 2019 is at least 25%.
you're absolutely right. see first point.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I'll virtually pat your the back
ha thanks!
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Elon is a visionary for sure, but there is a difference between being a visionary and being a great businessman.
yeah he's only made 200bn or so for himself. i also think when spacex goes public he may become the first trillionaire.

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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
do you plan to still use that reservation?
Subject to test driving etc, absolutely. Remains to be seen when I might get an invitation to convert to an order, but I have no plans to cancel. Having already experienced one excellent EV truck makes me even more interested in this one, not less.
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
I'll virtually pat your the back

The early adopters are going to basically fund the lower cost Cyber Trucks, which is not unusual. I remember long lines of people paying $600 for the first iPhone when carriers were essentially giving away free phones, company execs and engineers paying $120K for a Model S or X, and many friends, co workers and acquaintances with their smartphones putting down $1000 deposits on the Model 3 when it was announced.

The other thing to note is, $39K 4 years ago is not the same as $39K today, so the pricing is about right
The pricing is way off adjusting for inflation.

Adjusting for inflation it should be
48k
60k
84k.

​​​​​​No where close to actual prices vs inflation adjusted prices from 4 years ago.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Imagine what Elon could accomplish if he wasn't so toxic and divisive.
I don't think any of those things have anything to do with it or anything, which are your opinions I might add.

I love how he blew up Twitter, wish it were me.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:42 PM
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We've truly come full circle. Went from Tesla will never made money to they are selling their cars too cheap and now, Cybertruck costs too much.
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Old Dec 1, 2023 | 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaze876
The pricing is way off adjusting for inflation.

Adjusting for inflation it should be
48k
60k
84k.

​​​​​​No where close to actual prices vs inflation adjusted prices from 4 years ago.
I don't know anything about trucks or truck pricing, but looking at comparable F-150 trucks in my area, the pricing is actually pretty low. The Mid-level comparable trims start at $63 for the XLT and go way past $100k for the Raptor. Tesla usually sets it's pricing on what the market can bare, and they are confident that a large percentage of those that have reservations will follow through. From following Tesla history, they haven't been wrong yet.

That said, I'm not a potential Cyber Truck buyer, so for me, I don't really care, except putting on my investor hat, I'm hoping the pricing they set attracts buyers and those who reserved the truck
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