I'm really not blown away at all by the hybrid's performance numbers. 0-60 in 5.7 seconds is good but with 538lb/ft of torque it should be significantly faster. The 1/4 trap speed is low, also. 14.5 seconds is decent but 92MPH trap speed? Any high end GM or Ford will handily beat this with just an engine, no hybrid. Silverado with the 6.2 has a 99.5 MPH trap speed. That's definitely a "left in the dust" difference down the 1/4.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...2l-first-test/

 

what is the V6tt?

 

Its not about 0-60 times, its about drivability.

 

Yeah. But the thing was over hyped..I thought 5.o seconds at least. . Ford F-150 hybrid is superior

 

I've never driven an Ecoboost but I can promise you a GM with the 6.2 is quite a satisfying engine....faster than this hybrid and it's a V8. GM truck drivability has always been good.

The article I posted of that Chevy gushed about the engine.

I have yet to see posted times of the non hybrid, and trust me I've been looking.

 

Previous tundra was 6 seconds flat

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-term-arrival/

 

And how does the 6.2 compare in fuel economy?

 

Not as good. That doesn't mean it has inferior drivability, at all.

I think you underestimate how many Americans don't care about a few MPG. These are expensive vehicles, people can afford the gas bills. The government may act like they sweat all night over MPG but I assure you most Americans don't. I see so many Toyota trucks and SUVs powered by the gas guzzler 5.7 I have it makes me dizzy, we all share awful mpg and I doubt it keeps many of us up at night.

LOTS and LOTS of consumers out there that would take a pushrod 2 valve Corvette 6.2 V8 over hybrid 3.4tt without even thinking about anything, including mileage. If you truly care about MPG then yes this Tundra may be for you. I like the Tundra too, but the engine not over a proven, potent V8.

 

A big NA V8 doesnt have the low end torque of a TTV6, let alone one boosted by a hybrid in this way. You need to drive it, you'll see. Turbo engines excel in drivability over NA engines.

Then they can buy the Chevy.

Not every offering has to be the same. I don't care about MPG personally, but that's the selling proposition of the decision to move to this type of engine for Toyota. As gas gets more and more expensive, people will start to care more than you think...same thing happened in 2008. The cheapest regular fuel I can find around here now is $3.70 a gallon. Paying for a $75,000 truck AND fueling it is a very expensive proposition.

Even Chevy buyers care...thats why the 6.2L has a 10 speed.

 

Oh yes it does. Did you even read the article? Turbos excel in drivability? That is a matter of opinion. Turbos are here first and foremost for CAFE and fuel economy. Otherwise we'd have larger displacement and supercharged V8s in my opinion. One can dream.

"Interestingly, the 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6 in the Ford F-150 makes 500 lb-ft of torque (and 400 hp), but because of both a touch of turbo lag and the fact that Chevy is better at programming the 10-speed, the Blue Oval truck doesn't feel as quick nor as powerful."

Big displacement, big torque. It may peak later but 80- 90% of torque in big V8s is available down low.

Many, MANY GM truck owners lovvvve their pushrod V8s. Myself included with my dinosaur.

GM 6.2 gets 21MPG highway and 19 combined, that's not the greatest out there, but good enough. SO.MANY.PEOPLE. could not care less about MPG.

Gas will go back down in a year or two once we get pro-fossil fuel people back in power, this isn't permanent.

$3.70 is horrendous...but are you inferring people really can't handle the fuel bills? Really? I just bought an expensive boat in the neighborhood price of high end 1500s that will cost $150 to fill up each time until gas goes back down, sucks but it is what it is. I paid $5000 for the engine upgrade, 50 extra horsepower. It's going to cost me more, do I care? No.

GM fuel economy people care, the buyers don't. What is pushed on us and what we actually listen to and/or care about are different things.

 

the F150 is lighter also with the aluminum construction. Ford beat out Toyota on this hybrid, more utility, more power, better mpg

 

There is gonna be one HELLUVA juicy C&D/MT comparison test soon with all the high end 1500 trucks. They are all new or updated. The Ram might be the oldest now.

 

Have you ever driven one of these trucks with the turbocharged engines? Yes, it does. The torque curves are much lower in a TT engine than a NA engine. Live with a TT engine for a while, like I said the drivability benefit is there. Its physics.

You don't buy new trucks...so you aren't a consumer they are trying to reach. And again, good for Chevy...this is Toyota.

And. They. Can. Buy. The. Chevy. Its 20 HWY for the ChevyThe new Tundra gets 24 MPG HWY and thats not the hybrid, and the 6.2 takes premium fuel and the Tundra is regular. Thats a HUGE gas savings. HUGE. Hundreds of dollars a month depending on how much you drive.

If you operate trucks for business, that savings is astronomical. Its a business game changer.

Not gonna happen buddy. Thats not how inflation works. That would be DEFLATION, which would only happen if we suffered some sort of economical calamity. Rising gas prices may slow down, but they're not coming down. Prices were down artificially because of the pandemic, but thats gone, and now we're seeing the result of inflation and the rising cost of fuel outside of inflation.

Yes, many many people are less fortunate than you and do struggle with paying gas prices. Do you know how many people in this country could never dream of owning a boat? The vast, vast majority of people. And its not only a question of being able to afford it, its having the desire to pay more when you don't have to. Take me, I make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and love cars and I would like to pay less for fuel. I love the fact that my car gets 30 MPG on the highway and much better mileage overall than my LS460 did. The new 48V tech in the S580 that improves that even more sounds great. I see millionaires who invest in all kinds of exotic home HVAC systems to reduce their utility bills. People with means do care what things cost.

You dont care about the price of fuel, and thats fine...but most people do....you see it in every survey and poll taken and Presidential approval ratings wouldn't be so closely tied to fuel prices as they are if people didn't care. Look at polls of the top things people look at when shopping for a car, fuel economy is always one of the top things.

Then why dont every remaining V8 engine sell like hotcakes?

You love V8s, but like it or not the future does not include V8s. Trucks will be last, but their time is coming...you already see it. When do you think you would have seen a 2.7L 4 cyl in a 1/2 ton Chevy pickup? Well, its there.

 

Gas prices go up and down all the time. Right now, it’s all all time high here.

 

Tundra has always been heavy and the new one is no exception. Ford hybrid does indeed offer some more utility and better mileage, but it has slightly less power, not more. The Tundra's weight holds it back in performance and mileage.

Ford F-150 3.5L Powerboost Full Hybrid V6 Engine
430 horsepower, 570 lb-ft of torque.

Toyota Tundra i-Force MAX 3.5L Twin Turbo V6 Hybrid
437 horsepower, 583 lb-ft of torque.