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Old Mar 5, 2022 | 11:32 AM
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You disappoint me because you cut people down and deny their success simply because you don’t like them.
No, I don't. Did you not see where I said "good for him, glad he achieved it"? It's there clear as day. I'm not hating or jealous, I just don't feel he is a true professional. And yes, he got lucky. SaabKyle started it all. Kyle is dorky too but I liked his dorkiness.

People are allowed to have opinions.
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No, I don't. Did you not see where I said "good for him, glad he achieved it"? It's there clear as day. I'm not hating or jealous, I just don't feel he is a true professional. And yes, he got lucky. SaabKyle started it all. Kyle is dorky too but I liked his dorkiness.

People are allowed to have opinions.
You said “good for him” and then immediately again said his success was due to luck and not skill. Another cut down. You don’t like his videos and that’s fine, but to say he doesn’t know cars and is just lucky and has no skill or ability is ridiculous. All of that is obviously not true.

And Kyle is a great example of how hard it is to stay successful. He gets very few views anymore and the medium has totally surpassed him, he’s a non-player.

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Taking a car for a test drive isn't even close to the same thing as a MT test or C&D. I'm not saying you or any of us are wrong in our impressions, but there are professionals that do this for a living.
yes, MT and C&D (particularly MT) clearly do a lot of sucking up to their advertisers. you rarely find much negativity in any of their reviews.

I've read every professional LX article there is known to man (trust me), the consensus is it has a nice, push ride for a body on frame pseudo-rugged suv.
i've driven LX, GX and many other SUVs, BOF and not.

the LX is pretty firm and obviously BOF (you feel the slight disconnection between body and frame). it's not terrible by any means, it is physics and is what it is. the LX ride, for what it is, is EXCELLENT.

the GX unless it's changed a lot since i drove one, is much softer, and still obviously BOF. the GX ride, for what it is, is also EXCELLENT.

a range rover, or mercedes gls don't have the obvious BOF limitations and also have VERY sophisticated suspensions. their ride is simply put, amazing. simply on another level.

Let me be clear, there is a huge difference between Motor Trend and Joe Blow on Youtube.
yup, MT sucks up to advertisers. Joe Blow on YT can be as blunt as they like. plus, you talk about MT having 2 weeks with vehicles, but YTers now do the same. the car makers clearly recognize the clout that YTers have and it's WAY (orders of magnitude) bigger than 'magazines' (although MT, CD, etc. now have decent YT presence too, but they need more personalities). Micah Muzio for example has become a great personality for Kelly Blue Book.

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The Mercedes-Benz G Class is the top of the line SUV for the Mercedes brand. I look at the LX600 in a similar way. Very niche, body on frame. very expensive. Usually a second vehicle. Very exclusive membership. Land Cruiser was like that too..
lx is half the price of a G Class - compromises must be made

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You said “good for him” and then immediately again said his success was due to luck and not skill. Another cut down.
So what? Are you my shrink again? I don't think he's professional. However I am happy that any American from any creed race sexual orientation etc is successful as that's what this country is all about. I'm not hating on anyone's success.

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And Kyle is a great example of how hard it is to stay successful. He gets very few views anymore and the medium has totally surpassed him, he’s a non-player.
I think the whole Youtube reviews thing was just something waiting to take off, a "why didn't I think of that" sort of thing. Kyle made lots of money at one point.
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So what? Are you my shrink again? I don't think he's professional. However I am happy that any American from any creed race sexual orientation etc is successful as that's what this country is all about. I'm not hating on anyone's success.
He is by every definition of the term, a professional car reviewer. He is one of the most successful modern ones that exists.

I think the whole Youtube reviews thing was just something waiting to take off, a "why didn't I think of that" sort of thing. Kyle made lots of money at one point.
And guess what, recognizing something that is about to take off and jumping into it is a SKILL. He left a real job with Porsche to do what he’s doing. Kyle never made 10% of the money Doug makes.

I started a property management company right before the real estate market tanked in 2005 and nobody could sell their houses and had to rent them out. That was not luck, I bet that was going to happen and I jumped in.

You confuse luck and skill. Like him or not, he has a quirky personality and loves cars and he creates content MANY people enjoy. In what way have you contributed to the world?
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I think the last time I cared about 0 to 60 times or anything like that I was a teenager. Now that I am much older, that type of stuff is not an important factor in my decision on which vehicle to purchase. As long as I can merge on to a freeway with ease, that’s all I am concerned about.

To each their own. 😎
Old Mar 5, 2022 | 11:48 AM
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. In what way have you contributed to the world?
Who the hell do you think you are asking me a question like that?
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yes, MT and C&D (particularly MT) clearly do a lot of sucking up to their advertisers. you rarely find much negativity in any of their reviews.



i've driven LX, GX and many other SUVs, BOF and not.

the LX is pretty firm and obviously BOF (you feel the slight disconnection between body and frame). it's not terrible by any means, it is physics and is what it is. the LX ride, for what it is, is EXCELLENT.

the GX unless it's changed a lot since i drove one, is much softer, and still obviously BOF. the GX ride, for what it is, is also EXCELLENT.

a range rover, or mercedes gls don't have the obvious BOF limitations and also have VERY sophisticated suspensions. their ride is simply put, amazing. simply on another level.



yup, MT sucks up to advertisers. Joe Blow on YT can be as blunt as they like. plus, you talk about MT having 2 weeks with vehicles, but YTers now do the same. the car makers clearly recognize the clout that YTers have and it's WAY (orders of magnitude) bigger than 'magazines' (although MT, CD, etc. now have decent YT presence too, but they need more personalities). Micah Muzio for example has become a great personality for Kelly Blue Book.
I will give you that C&D used to be really biased toward BMW, that's for sure. And I hate how they are shoving EVs down my throat, I've almost unfollowed them all on FB but sometimes there's a diamond in the rough article. Also, I do like the Motor Trend videos, I think they have personality.

Also, just an observation, GX and LX ride about the same at least that's what I thought.
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We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here.
that's where it should have ended.

Originally Posted by SW17LS
In what way have you contributed to the world?
that's far too judgmental and personal... don't do that.

AJT123 and SW17LS - i've deleted the recent back and forth because you're both getting too personal and not contributing to the thread.

take it to PM if you want to continue going at one another.
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The point is…Doug DeMuro is a real person like you and me and he has contributed greatly to the fabric that is the hobby of cars. Being a car enthusiast is better because he and others like him exist. Just don’t tear the guy down,
whether you like his videos or not.

People who do things really well make them look easy. Doesn’t mean they are easy.

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The point is…Doug DeMuro is a real person like you and me and he has contributed greatly to the fabric that is the hobby of cars. Being a car enthusiast is better because he and others like him exist. Just don’t tear the guy down, whether you like his videos or not.
people are absolutely entitled to tear him down, with fame comes critics. this thread isn't about doug demuro though or any reviewer.
i posted the video because it contributed to the subject. whether you like him and what he's done, or AJT123 doesn't, isn't relevant.
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