And nothing a "professional" is going to write is going to tell me my perception was wrong, but I think you missed that edit. Here's a comment made in your very article from a professional

That "trucklike nature" is what I'm talking about. You either like that, or you don't. I don't.

None of the negates my experience from my own test drives. You immediately notice the difference between a BOF and unibody SUV.

It does, for a truck. Doesn't ride anything like a car, which unibody SUVs do.

Look around the forum...I'm hardly alone. Most of the members here no longer own Lexus vehicles and this is why. The new LX600 is like it was designed in another era for a consumer that really doesn't exist anymore...like Doug Demuro said.

Perhaps with high end high performance cars, but not for everyday cars no.

I actually think "Joe Blow" on YouTube is way more relevant and credible today. I haven't read an article in a car magazine in years, and see no reason to.

 

Do you think whoever bought my cars is delighted at the completeness of them and the file of maintenance records? The cars are in stunning condition. I never followed the break in procedure.

Just drive a new car normally, it will be fine. These are not hand built performance engines, they are assembled by robots with precision.

 

Okay? I've said 3 times that neither you nor any of us are "wrong" in our impressions. I know that article well. The non-truck liking editor didn't care for it. Then another one said it felt more like a Mercedes with how quiet it is.

Absolutely disagree. You think DDM reviews cars better than Car and Driver? Because his cute little Doug score is so objective. Car mags are the professionals with the expensive test gear, I bet said comparison test with the LX and others cost a fortune to perform.

 

The Mercedes-Benz G Class is the top of the line SUV for the Mercedes brand. I look at the LX600 in a similar way. Very niche, body on frame. very expensive. Usually a second vehicle. Very exclusive membership. Land Cruiser was like that too..

I think Lexus does need a rwd crossover to be more like the GLE or X7, but I don't find those vehicles are appealing from either of those brands. I likely would not find a Lexus rwd crossover very appealing either.

 

If he thinks it feels like a Mercedes...he's just wrong lol. It feels nothing like a Mercedes.

I don't care about the "Doug Score" but do I get more out of a DDM review than I do a MotorTrend review? Frankly...yes. And for Doug, he's making millions of dollars a year for his reviews, his reach and audience is WAY higher than Motor Trend's, and he's a real car guy who has experienced and driven basically every car. So yeah, when he gives an opinion about a car and how it compares to other cars....I listen.

Same is true of MANY YT reviewers. You don't think Alex Dykes has a ton of experience with cars to compare and contrast a car he tests and reviews on his channel? Of course he does.

What "test gear" do you need? Drive the car...what does the car drive like compared to other cars you have also driven? Its not rocket science. Do I need "test gear" to tell you if i like a chair?

Lets put it this way, if MT had an opportunity...they would hire Doug and feature him all over. You wouldn't even be able to pick any of these "MT Professionals" out of a lineup.

 

Sales figures would tell you that even though you wouldn't find that appealing, LOTS of people do.

 

A G class is far more expensive than a GLS. Of course the lower priced model should have more sales. A G class once was offered with a V12...that is in a totally difference league than a GLS

I don't

I can agree.

 

Comparing and contrasting those two vehicles sales makes no sense. I wouldn't accept a free G Class. It just doesn't fit my needs at all. Entirely different buyers. The GLS is a practical vehicle, its for a consumer who wants a high quality luxury vehicle but also needs to carry things and people. G Class is entirely different, its not a mainstream vehicle.

Its the same way for Lexus, the LX and a RWD crossover could coexist...

What would have been smarter for Toyota would be to make the LX a large RWD crossover...or even base it off the Sequoia and make it larger but still BOF, and then keep the Land Cruiser here.

And since you aren't a consumer in this segment of vehicles that doesnt matter. Bottom line is Lexus is leaving a TON of high end customers with no option but to leave the brand, myself included and thats a real shame.

 

I just watched the Doug DeMuro video, and he discusses exactly what I’ve been saying at length in his driving review.

His reviews have made him a millionaire, so I’d say he’s a professional lol

 

We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

There are certain things about cars he knows nothing about when he tests them. I stopped watching him because I don’t find him credible. I find it crazy that some of you listen to him over Car and Driver. He’s decent at picking out quirks of cars but he is not a professional in my opinion.

Test gear? How much does a Doug video cost him to make versus how much money it costs for C&D to do an objective road test? He is popular I believe because he is a love or hate person like many celebrities. I personally can’t stand the guy and think he’s a huge dork that doesn’t even know his stuff. Ears to a chalkboard his voice is to me. I’d much rather read a real magazine article from an entity comprised of a humongous staff, not just something from Doug using his editing skills with his own camera.

Hoovie is the guy that deserves all the respect IMO, he really really does know cars unlike Doug and gets his hands dirty.

Lots of YouTube millionaires out there, most of them just got lucky.

 

How can someone who has tested and driven basically any car not be credible when comparing and contrasting each car? You disagree with what he says, thats why you don't think that he's credible.

And in terms of agreeing to disagree, you have never driven any of the cars we're talking about so you don't have any experience from which to disagree with those who have. "Someone with experience is not at the mercy of someone with an opinion". When you have driven all of these vehicles over multiple generations I will listen to you like I do Doug.

Why does what it costs to do a road test matter? A road test just needs to be someone driving a car...on a road...who has experience driving other cars so they can objectively compare and contrast them. Thats it. What "equipment" helps someone do that?

And in any event, he makes over $1M a year reviewing cars, and we don't so...clearly he knows something we don't. What about reviewers at MT or C&D or whatever makes them more credible than Doug or Alex or Sofyan Bey or savagegeese or motoman? I bet many of them have LESS experience with cars.

And you know who gave Hoovie his start? Doug DeMuro lol

And Hoovie gets his hands dirty?! How? He doesn't do anything with his hands. Completely different style of YouTuber, Hoovie isn't a reviewer.

What looks like "luck" is actually a lot of skill, hard work and perseverance. NOBODY in this world achieves success like that without ability. Creating content people want to consume is a skill. Like his videos or not, you cannot deny his skill and success.

 

No, that's not why. His scoring system is stupid, he acts stupid, and like I said doesn't really know cars. He just picks out the quirks. Bill from Auto Europa Naples knows cars, Doug doesn't.

Except I'm not telling you to listen to me, you're the one being extremely defensive because I said I'll read MT over someone on here's test drive... I'm just stating my opinion. I don't like DDM, he's my least favorite out of all of them.

Uhhh, maybe this stuff called test equipment? You don't get 1/4 mile times from Doug's goofy reviews, if he knows roughly what they are then where did he get that information from? That would be a source like I'm describing, a magazine or something where a good deal of money was spent on testing.

He's a lucky Youtuber. SaabKyle started the whole thing. Youtube isn't the same thing as press to me.

Yes but he knows cars way better than Doug. Unlike Doug, he will stand there and describe a torn out engine.

I don't deny his success and good for him for achieving it, but he's just lucky like many movie stars are. A number of us could do what he does easily.

 

What do I care about 1/4 mile times or 0-60 times? I couldn’t care less. I care about quality, features, how the cars ride handle and perform and how they compare to their competitors. People pay way too much attention to stats like that. I couldn’t even tell you how much horsepower my cars have exactly or their 0-60 time or 1/4 mile time. Who cares.in any event you can buy a module to test all of that for about $100.

And Doug DeMuro has devoted his life to cars, clearly loves cars. He clearly knows cars. Does he sometimes get things wrong? Yes. I have heard Bill say plenty of wrong stuff too. I have also read wrong stuff in magazines.

Its 2022 and like it or not, YT is media.

Saying DDM doesn’t know cars is just silly. And if you think many of us could do what he does easily and achieve what he has achieved, you are totally out to lunch lol. Acting is a serious skill, gift and really hard work too.

Put your money where your mouth is, go
out and get 4M subscribers and make $1M+ with car video reviews if it’s so easy.

Why people feel the need to cut successful talented people down is beyond me. Disappointing.

 

Who cares? Many people care. Not everyone is you.

Acting? So he's Robert DeNiro now? He's standing there pointing out features about cars, not acting. Lol if anything it's his dumb ways that annoy me.

I'm so sorry I disappoint you because I have a different opinion than you. I could name a reallllllly successful person you hatttttte with all of your guts but I'm not allowed.

 

And not everyone is you lol.

You mentioned actors as having gotten lucky. I did not say he was an actor.

You disappoint me because you cut people down and deny their success simply because you don’t like them.

And if you want to talk about someone who is more lucky than successful, that’s that person you’re talking about lol