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Old Sep 1, 2021 | 10:00 AM
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This is the letter NHTSA sent to Tesla - look at all the evidence they are requiring. This is setting a very interesting precedent that is long overdue - they need to clearly define responsibility matrix between automakers and drivers for vehicles with driver assist technologies.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/202...020-84913P.pdf
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:06 PM
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:22 PM
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Scotty would be last on any list of people who's opinions about new technology I care about lol
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:24 PM
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^^^^^ I don't always agree with Scotty (or his video-antics), but he was right on the money with this one. That's EXACTLY what's wrong with these self-drive autopilots....they are fine in the usual, pre-programmed casual-driving environments, but often can't deal with the unexpected or out-of-norm.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:29 PM
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NHTSA investigation spreading to GM, Ford, VW, and Toyota now too. Basically all L2 systems
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Thats just it, they aren't "self driving", they are driving aids. The concept is the driver would take back over when they encounter something unexpected.

Anticipating and reacting to unexpected situations to where they can truly drive themselves requires AI which is still in development.
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Originally Posted by Allen K
NHTSA investigation spreading to GM, Ford, VW, and Toyota now too. Basically all L2 systems
That makes a lot more sense than just singling out Toyota.

The technology will be better for this.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Allen K
NHTSA investigation spreading to GM, Ford, VW, and Toyota now too. Basically all L2 systems
Yep, as per article below. If our lawmakers had any kind of competence, they would ban this nonsense outright.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/14/2...r7-gRLGLFMSlN8
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Thats just it, they aren't "self driving", they are driving aids. The concept is the driver would take back over when they encounter something unexpected.

Anticipating and reacting to unexpected situations to where they can truly drive themselves requires AI which is still in development.
Exactly why they shouldn't call it Autopilot or Full Self Driving. Regardless of the disclaimers, the name by itself is potentially misleading.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by patgilm
Exactly why they shouldn't call it Autopilot or Full Self Driving. Regardless of the disclaimers, the name by itself is potentially misleading.
I totally agree
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Thats just it, they aren't "self driving", they are driving aids. The concept is the driver would take back over when they encounter something unexpected.
mmkay... that may be what they are, but that's...

Originally Posted by patgilm
Exactly why they shouldn't call it Autopilot or Full Self Driving. Regardless of the disclaimers, the name by itself is potentially misleading.
THAT is the point. What tesla is doing is incredible, but they don't need the misleading hype which was clearly done to bolster sales, but it's not honest, and it's lead to idiots being overconfident with it.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 01:40 PM
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Like I said...

Originally Posted by SW17LS
I totally agree
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Like I said...
it's not all about you. i can make my comments to the thread at large.
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Old Sep 14, 2021 | 07:07 PM
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Regardless of what it is called, like I predicted many years ago in the other thread, people will abuse such tech because this is just what people do. Anyone abusing this system pretty much deserves a Darwin award, but unfortunately they hurt others in the process.
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