Yup. He said it before that's it's not there. Prior earnings calls, he said the same thing. Full disclosure. He is telling everyone buyer beware. People that purchase it have a lot of disposable income in their hands.

 

Sounds like he has realized that his product is NOT going to deliver. Interesting he said "imo"

 

Pure comedy gold.

 

I don't think any cars today will be fully self-driving capable without hardware changes in the future.

The $10,000 Full Self-Driving Capability that Tesla is promising will not happen with current Teslas on the road. There is a claim by Elon that only software needs to get better which is simply not true. I am shocked by the people falling for this.

Today, we have cameras that are generating false alarms, we have cameras blinded by sunlight, we have cameras that do not work in rain or snow, and we have cameras that do not clean themselves. These are just some of the issues and obstacles with cameras in general, never mind the other sensors, etc. and will evolve over the next several years along with the 5G buildout.

We will be at level 1-3 FSD for years folks.

 

Elon has huge ambitions trying to get FSD to work with just cameras. It will be a huge downfall one day when he cannot deliver this promise. He will have to fix it by retrofitting lidars or give back full refunds to customers. When FSD beta 9.1 came out last month people were just blown away what it can do and now even Elon is saying he’s not impressed? Something is definitely wrong.

 

Actually, he stated the current build is not great. He said the next build coming is much better. He's just pumping up the next version so don't read too much into what he's saying.

 

Toyota has level 3. So does Honda. Tesla has stalled at level 2. I read GMs super cruise is the best system but is also stuck at level 2. I watched some of these videos, I think they all are a big waste of time and resources

 

Latest Tesla self driving accident...

https://www.sfgate.com/business/arti...e-16418858.php

 

Article mentioned “autopilot” which isn’t FSD did the owner crash thinking it was? Tesla really need to change the name it’s really confusing people most are not tech savvy.

 

The Tesla driver said she was using AP.
An investigation into the cause of the crash has not yet been completed. It remains to be determined whether Tesla’s Autopilot caused or contributed to the incident.

The accident was caused by the driver, because Tesla clearly states the driver must stay in control of the vehicle.
I bet her claim turns out to be BS...

 

you sound like a tesla lawyer.

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I bet her claim turns out to be BS...

Funny, my (non tesla) cars with adaptive cruise, lane keeping, and collision braking, almost certainly wouldn't have crashed in the same situation.

 

But to be fair, nor do most Teslas either. This isn't happening all the time, but we hear about them when they happen because of the the "man bites dog" thing. No one pays much attention if a non-Tesla is involved in a similar accident. So the investigation needs to get to the bottom of two key questions. Were the Tesla vehicles being autonomously driven when these accidents occurred (the car will reveal all) and, secondly, is the number of cases proportionally higher, lower or about the same as the normalized similar accident rate for non-Tesla vehicles? The other angle here, of course, is the potential for drivers to blame shift. If you were involved in a crash like this, and knew you were at fault but you had a Tesla, chances are you're gonna try to throw a little Autopilot shade into the mix... In a similar vein, there was a news story just this past week about a Tesla fire from a while back. Someone bought the salvaged car, found the car's cameras had recorded and still had the footage of the incident, and it looked pretty clear that the incident wasn't quite as reported.

https://electrek.co/2021/08/26/tesla...reveals-video/

 

swajames, no doubt that reckless misuse or abuse of a vehicle is wrong and possibly criminal.

my point was that even cheap cars will stop when they're headed toward something these days. Assuming the car wasn't being abused in some way, why didn't a tesla just stop?

 

Because a bunch of their software engineers left, the software at this point is a giant buggy clusterpluck that can never be sorted out.

 

Thats a misconception. Lots of cars have similar issues when dealing with stationary objects that never move. The IHS tested this and found many cars have issues (link below). Tesla autopilot usage is very high and the reputation of autopilot (and maybe name) seems to incite bad behavior in many drivers. A lot of people wouldn't let the car drive using Kia or Volvo's system but they will do it in Teslas. Part of the reason is that the Autopilot system is extremely good in most situations. I mean it seems like its in complete control and working great but that 1% of the time it can't detect a stationary object is when you see crashes happen...its false security in the system itself and people get lazy about being vigilant.

https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/iih...ad-track-tests