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Old Aug 16, 2021 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
I wonder how many of the 11 crashes are because of this. I'm betting most if not all.
Yes, I suspect that at least part of it is abuse or negligence by the drivers/occupants of the vehicle. I mentioned that in my post.....but was probably not finished editing it when you saw it. But I think they are also going to find some real problems as well....one of them being that the system has a hard time with the flashing lights on emergency vehicles.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 06:15 AM
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According to a Stanford Law School report, at least 90% of all motor vehicle crashes are caused fully or in part by human error. The exact percentage is debatable, and the report examined several studies that ranged anywhere between 90% and 99%.

I think the latest crash being amplified has to do with a driver who dropped his cellphone and reached down to get it taking his attention off his driving.
Wow, how many things are wrong here? And they blame the car?

Maybe the NHTSA is looking in the wrong place?

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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JeffKeryk
According to a Stanford Law School report, at least 90% of all motor vehicle crashes are caused fully or in part by human error. The exact percentage is debatable, and the report examined several studies that ranged anywhere between 90% and 99%.

Maybe the NHTSA is looking in the wrong place?

I would not have agreed with that in the past, but, with most of today's vehicles, outside of Teslas, yes, that's probably correct. The Tesla self-driving systems, however, are probably going to show a much higher percentage of vehicles having driver/system error....though there is also system-abuse by drivers as well. I'll wait for the results of the Federal investigation before commenting further on that.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
The Tesla self-driving systems, however, are probably going to show a much higher percentage of vehicles having driver/system error....though there is also system-abuse by drivers as well. I'll wait for the results of the Federal investigation before commenting further on that.
Tesla doesn't have a self-driving system (yet). That's what they chose to name it, but it's a driver-assistance system. I'd agree with you here, IMO part of the reason someone might come to this conclusion is because people refer to Tesla's driver-assist as a "self-driving system", and think they can get away with certain distractions because they misinterpreted the capabilities of the system.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
The fact that this investigation is just targeted at Tesla is evidence of the anti-Tesla bias. There are a lot of cars on the road with this same tech, including my own.
ehm, they can only investigate Tesla about issues with Tesla vehicles, who else? This is completely normal.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
ehm, they can only investigate Tesla about issues with Tesla vehicles, who else? This is completely normal.
That's what I was thinking...
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
ehm, they can only investigate Tesla about issues with Tesla vehicles, who else? This is completely normal.
I guarantee there are issues with these features on competitors vehicles too
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by spwolf
ehm, they can only investigate Tesla about issues with Tesla vehicles, who else? This is completely normal.

LOL. Great point.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I guarantee there are issues with these features on competitors vehicles too
but there aren't as many issues with the DRIVERS of competitive vehicles, blinded by musk spells, into thinking their cars have 'full self driving' capability, and then attempting to get in the back seat for fun.

tesla brought this on themselves, by making outrageous and false claims about their capabilities, to hype the brand, pump the stock, etc. did it work? yes. should they pay a price, YES i believe they should be massively fined for false claims and promises.
hey elon, weren't teslas supposed to be able to be part of a robotaxi brigade by now? but you promised!
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
but there aren't as many issues with the DRIVERS of competitive vehicles, blinded by musk spells, into thinking their cars have 'full self driving' capability, and then attempting to get in the back seat for fun.

tesla brought this on themselves, by making outrageous and false claims about their capabilities, to hype the brand, pump the stock, etc. did it work? yes. should they pay a price, YES i believe they should be massively fined for false claims and promises.
hey elon, weren't teslas supposed to be able to be part of a robotaxi brigade by now? but you promised!
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
but there aren't as many issues with the DRIVERS of competitive vehicles, blinded by musk spells, into thinking their cars have 'full self driving' capability, and then attempting to get in the back seat for fun.

tesla brought this on themselves, by making outrageous and false claims about their capabilities, to hype the brand, pump the stock, etc. did it work? yes. should they pay a price, YES i believe they should be massively fined for false claims and promises.
hey elon, weren't teslas supposed to be able to be part of a robotaxi brigade by now? but you promised!

There is no other car sold with a system called "full self driving" or anything remotely implying something like that.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 02:44 PM
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Unless you're intentionally trying to mislead or outright lying, or you simply didn't bother to do 10 seconds of fact checking Tesla tells you exactly what Autopilot does and what it is.
The Future of Autopilot

All Tesla vehicles have the hardware needed in the future for full self-driving in almost all circumstances, at a safety level we believe will be at least twice as good as the average human driver.
Right from their website. The sensationalists and haters in general are the ones touting the system as being currently full self driving not Tesla.

But the rabid Tesla haters will do what they do. Elon is going to jail, fraud, lying, investors are angry (the funniest talking point ever), and when that fails oh the grid will collapse, batteries can't be recycled, takes too long to charge. It has become so predictable and boring.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Unless you're intentionally trying to mislead or outright lying, or you simply didn't bother to do 10 seconds of fact checking Tesla tells you exactly what Autopilot does and what it is.
Right from their website. The sensationalists and haters in general are the ones touting the system as being currently full self driving not Tesla.

But the rabid Tesla haters will do what they do. Elon is going to jail, fraud, lying, investors are angry (the funniest talking point ever), and when that fails oh the grid will collapse, batteries can't be recycled, takes too long to charge. It has become so predictable and boring.
It's the definition of a broken record that cannot stop playing.
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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Unless you're intentionally trying to mislead or outright lying, or you simply didn't bother to do 10 seconds of fact checking Tesla tells you exactly what Autopilot does and what it is.
Right from their website. The sensationalists and haters in general are the ones touting the system as being currently full self driving not Tesla.

But the rabid Tesla haters will do what they do. Elon is going to jail, fraud, lying, investors are angry (the funniest talking point ever), and when that fails oh the grid will collapse, batteries can't be recycled, takes too long to charge. It has become so predictable and boring.
i'm talking about their "full self driving" package, not just autopilot. The feature, ON THEIR WEBSITE, when configuring the car is called full self driving CAPABILITY. Yet it ISN'T capable of full self driving. It's a lie, it's false, it's deliberately misleading, no matter how much fine print they add.

here's what it says.

Full Self-Driving Capability

$10,000
  1. Navigate on Autopilot
  2. Auto Lane Change
  3. Autopark
  4. Summon
  5. Full Self-Driving Computer
  6. Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control

Coming later this year

  1. Autosteer on city streets
The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. The activation and use of these features are dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As these self-driving features evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

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Old Aug 18, 2021 | 07:26 PM
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Folks knock off the personal comments or do not post.
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