Its only the looks of that EV that people have a problem with. Everything else is pretty great on the car. The SUV actually looks pretty good so I'd rock that over the car. For those prices though, I'd rather get a Plaid and just be done with it

 

The Model S looks great, Lucid Air I think looks great, the new BMW i4 I think looks great. Once we get through this idea that EVs have to look weird, and they start making more than look like cars, they'll be even easier to adopt.

The issue is designers trying to make them look different.

 

People made the same comments about the Camry when they redesigned it in 2007, and guess what? It was one of the most popular cars on the road. EV design is to maximize aerodynamics, and maximize space. The only reason ICE vehicles don't do these types of designs to maximize aero and cabin space...is because they can't. They need to fit the engine, the drivetrain, and the transmission and gas tank. It's even worse with RWD, because they need a transmission tunnel. If automakers could, they would maximize aerodynamics to the max as that would make the car more fuel efficient. Plus they want to distinguish them from their ICE counterparts by giving them a different look

 

S looks good aside from the front. Air I don’t find attractive. Ionic 5 looks good. Taycan wearing thin. EQS is awful. I can admit it

 

I think they certainly can make beautiful EVs...they will come...

The Ionic 5 is an example of a car that is really different but I agree it looks good.

 

This truck boogies...i think its faster than anything Lexus has in its arsenal





https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...-acceleration/

2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Is Even Quicker Than Expected

At 4.0 seconds flat to 60 mph, Lightning is a very appropriate name.

We've just tested a 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning, a top Platinum trim with a $93,609 sticker price.It's far and away quicker than any other F-150, running neck and neck with a Mustang Mach 1 through the quarter-mile.
It's also far quieter than other F-150s and more than 300 pounds lighter than a Rivian R1T, but the brakes faded significantly during our testing.It's hard to imagine anyone not being blown away by the heroic shove of the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning's two electric motors making a combined 580 horsepower and 775 pound-feet of torque. Nail the throttle from rest and 60 mph arrives in 4.0 seconds flat, on its way to a 12.7-second quarter-mile at 107 mph, just before it hits its 110-mph governed top speed.

Our test vehicle was a top-trim Platinum that includes the larger, 131.0-kWh battery pack, and, with a couple of minor options, wore a sticker price of $93,609. The performance of this first electric F-150 positively dominates any other in Ford's truck lineup, including the Raptor, by more than a second in either metric. Even a Mach-E GT is no quicker in the quarter-mile. And a Mustang Mach 1 would have to be exceptionally well driven to open up the narrowest of gaps in the quarter. The Rivian R1T is substantially quicker—nearly a second in the quarter-mile—and is still the quickest pickup we’ve ever tested. But, surprisingly, in our 30–50-mph and 50–70-mph passing tests, the Lightning essentially ties the Rivian (0.1 second quicker in the former, and 0.1 second slower in the latter). Where the R1T's 908 pound-feet of torque is ramped in smoothly, the Lightning's 775 pound-feet hits hard when smacking the accelerator, to the point that it chirps the front tires at speeds up to 30 mph or so, which tends to generate spontaneous giggles from the power-drunk pilot standing on the pedal.
Braking was a different story, with the Lightning's stoppers fading significantly during our six-stop routine from 70 mph. Although it delivered a solid 180-foot stop (we report the second-best number of the six), after the third one a warning light came on to indicate the brakes were overheating, along with significant fade and smoke, to the point that the truck couldn't keep ABS engaged on the later stops. Although our test may seem extreme, it gives us pause about using the upper reaches of the Lightning's maximum 10,000-pound towing capacity (8500 pounds max for Platinum trims like ours). Many other pickups handle the abuse without complaint, including the heavier Rivian.

That's right: at 6855 pounds, our top-trim Lightning Platinum, 1500-pound battery pack and all, weighed more than 300 pounds less than the smaller R1T. That's also within 100 pounds of a Ram 1500 TRX. Until now, we never thought we'd be impressed by the mass of anything this heavy. But, in light of the Hummer EV's 9000-pound curb weight, the Lightning is practically a Miata. (That might be overstating it, but the Lightning is nearly a Miata lighter than the Hummer).

In addition to being the quickest F-150, the Lightning is also the quietest. We measured a mere 65 decibels at a steady 70-mph cruise. That's solidly quieter than both the R1T and any other F-150. Although some may think all EVs are similarly silent, wind and road noise are still significant factors at highway speeds, and the hulking Lighting pulls off the impressive feat of being quieter than any Tesla we've ever tested.

Maximum cornering certainly isn't the Lightning's forte, but it put up a decent 0.77 g on the skidpad, which is in the ballpark with other full-size trucks.

Get it pointed in a straight line, though, and prepare to be wowed.

 

Have there been any independent range tests on the Lightning yet? I've seen a couple of previews that say the rumor that stated range was with a 1K payload is true based on range calcs, but nothing like an Out of Spec review yet

 

I'm really torn about this truck. Around 2025 I will be replacing my Sienna, and the vehicles I have in my sights are the Rivian R1S Suv, the Polestar 3 Suv, and the F-150 Lightning. The lightning is going to be the cheapest with the Rivian hitting $72K, the Polestar 3 hitting $71K (estimated) and the Lightning long range $55K. The Rivian is an SUV and 7 seater so that one most fits what my wife would want, although I could probably convince her that a Pickup would also meet our needs

 

I haven't seen anything yet. If this thing gets 300 miles on the highway, that would be incredible given its weight. I foresee a lot of truck shenanigans with this thing...

 

Ford has done a lot of internal testing and they claim they have achieved 300 miles with a 1,400 lbs payload

 

Has this been posted? Automotive expert Scotty says this truck will bankrupt Ford.

 

Yep, I follow his automotive advice to the T. Without Scotty, I would be lost in this dark world
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His knowledge of EV'S is profound. Now I totally regret my purchase. I don't want to get stuck in the middle of nowhere, so I'm immediately going to buy a 1986 Toyota Camry with 250k on it and call it a day....

 

I knew you did.

 

I actually enjoy his commentary. He does these partly for entertainment. It's one of my guilty pleasures

 

But surpassed by his knowledge of where the industry is heading. Gotta wonder why the man is not CEO of Ford or Tesla.