Lexus ES 2022 Refresh
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That shaves about 10-14 days off the production time, so there you go, 4-5 weeks becomes 3-4, and 10 weeks becomes 8. Just like I said. Lexus is 6+ months.
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Lexus has never really been where the German brands are. Always been that way. Not that big a deal.
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‘It’s just something Toyota and Lexus doesn’t really do. Lexus has always struggled on the high end. They can’t command the price points of the German brands. It’s not the end of the world.
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As much as I love my S Class I am kinda sorry I didnt order that BMW. Not because I feel the 7 is a better car, but it would have been exactly to my specs where my S Class is lacking some things I would have chosen. Couldnt have ordered an S Class as the banks for the W222 were closed.
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That's extremely fast for a special order from Toyota.
Another difference is cost, you wont get nearly the discount on an ordered Lexus as you will an ordered German car. With a BMW or Mercedes, you can negotiate basically the same discount
Another difference is cost, you wont get nearly the discount on an ordered Lexus as you will an ordered German car. With a BMW or Mercedes, you can negotiate basically the same discount
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It would be phenomenal if Lexus would customize like the BMW or Mercedes brands. But I just don’t think the brand has that strength.
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I can't speak for BMW dealerships, because I never bought a vehicle from them. But I once came very close.....I REALLY liked the last-generation 335i with the hydraulic power steering, before BMW converted to the low-feel electric units. The chassis/steering/suspension tuning on that car, even with the Sport Package and 35-series rubber-band tires, was absolutely superb....at the time, IMO, BMW had what was arguably the best chassis-engineers in the industry. The Ultimate Driving Machine moniker, back then, was not just ad-hype. I came very close to buying (or ordering one)....but decided that they were just too expensive (45-50K, which was more than I wanted to spend), and BMW dealerships, at that time, tended to be snooty and aristocratic.
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That doesn't mean I liked all BMWs of that vintage. I reviewed a 2008 M3, and, although the V8 was quite responsive with 414 ft-lbs. of torque (somewhat peaky torque), I found the suspension MUCH too stiff for my tastes, and the sample I reviewed also had several serious defects in it, straight from the factory.
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I don't buy this. The ES became Avalon-sized with the 2013 MY, at the same time a brand new GS was unveiled. This was years before the move to TNGA.
I'd be very surprised if dealers liked the GS when it was so slow to move off lots. It is not a volume product, which is what all dealerships love because it helps meet their quota.
I'd be very surprised if dealers liked the GS when it was so slow to move off lots. It is not a volume product, which is what all dealerships love because it helps meet their quota.
Read this from my friend Colum Wood. We were in the same press wave to attend the debut in Oregon.: https://www.autoguide.com/manufactur...ideo-2030.html
I also go to see the ES 250 with Executive Package which was specifically built for China:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-...-rXkjSw5-M.jpg
This isn't true. This IS the fault of Lexus and their distribution. When you go to ANY other luxury brand you can get exactly what you want and there is way more variety in what they stock vs Lexus, where you are basically forced to limit what you want to what the region orders. EVERYBODY does a better job at this than Lexus. I tend to buy from whats on the lot, but walk into any other dealer and say "custom order" and walk into Lexus. Everybody else has a program in place for doing special orders and they are supported and encouraged, Lexus looks at you like you have 5 heads. Lexus actively discourages any kind of special orders, and if you can get them to do one it takes 3 times as long as anybody else. BMW or MB can get you a US built car 100% custom to your spec in 3 week. 3 WEEKS. German made? 8-9 weeks. Lexus on a custom US built ES? 8 months. No joke.
Choice and customization is a huge part of luxury. When I was shopping for cars, at BMW they just assume you're going to order a car like a 7 Series. The fact that Lexus just expects you would suck up whatever they have on a special $100,000 LC is absurd.
Choice and customization is a huge part of luxury. When I was shopping for cars, at BMW they just assume you're going to order a car like a 7 Series. The fact that Lexus just expects you would suck up whatever they have on a special $100,000 LC is absurd.
Toyota pioneered this and there's a reason for it. Ever wonder wy Toyota is profitable and their counterparts are at losses. Toyota/Lexus doesn't need dump thousands of dollars in incentives to sell cars. They sell on their own and hold the strongest resale. Can't say the same for a 10 year old S-Class or any 10 year old Chrysler.
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Looks like Mauve interior will debut on the 2022. 2021 currently has Flaxen, Rich Cream, Black, and Chateau.
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/le...8_from_popular
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/le...8_from_popular
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........that's one interior where I would actually put up with a zig-zag shifter. Heck, I put up with an E-joystick in my Lacrosse...except for the lack of a wood steering wheel, its interior was a lot like the 4Gen ES.
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Toyota pioneered this and there's a reason for it. Ever wonder wy Toyota is profitable and their counterparts are at losses. Toyota/Lexus doesn't need dump thousands of dollars in incentives to sell cars. They sell on their own and hold the strongest resale. Can't say the same for a 10 year old S-Class or any 10 year old Chrysler.
By the way, welcome back, Ryan.
I see you've been posting some lately. You've been gone from CL a long time.