And the fantastic sound generally. They did such a good job with the 2UR-GSE in creating a distinctive note.

No doubt that they will, but MB for example doesn't need to cut V8s from its low-volume AMG brand in order to meet fleetwide emissions standards - in much the same way that a TTV8 LC-F wouldn't make a blip on fleetwide numbers. Multibillion-dollar companies like MB cut the V8s in order to minimize development and production costs in meeting those emission standards so they can maximize profits, often while shoehorning customers into cars they don't prefer.

 

Most modern FI V8s are in performance cars by the numbers and the weakest ones have "only" 600hp stock. Most can hit 950+ with only tunes

 

That can't touch FI V8 cars, keep telling yourself all the annoyances of living with an EV are worth it when a C5 blows you away

 

Im 24 and let me tell most of this generation only "like" turbos and EVs since most have never experienced a V8 never mind a powerful one. Every single person I have taken for a ride in a powerful one drops the desire for other options

 

Exactly. Unbeatable power to weight

I dare any Tesla to roll race a FI viper, it will be as if it's standing still

 

Okay? The C8 with forced induction kits that are not even tuned since the ECU encryption is not broken hits that at the rear wheels.......the V6 is under a hell of a lot more internal strain as well

 

And the sound, the sound at 7k+ is so so exciting as you sail past 100

Supercharged options have a similar feel and instant response but I agree a NA engine is special

 

Thanks for stating the obvious

 

https://calvo-motorsports.com/cm1300-package/

This or a loaded Tesla S?

 

Easy. Loaded S. I'd rather my family sedan is fast and useful vs a pure track car. Why are these even comparable?

 

This was an interesting read, and I’d like to add my thoughts.

I go to a drag strip regularly in my ISF, and there is a model 3 performance that consistently runs 11.6 all evening, so some of the claims here regarding degrading times aren’t accurate. Sure, they can’t endurance race, but that’s because the tech is young and tracks don’t have super chargers. Meanwhile, my car may run drastically slower on a hot day because of ambient temps, and it costs me more to race. My car is much less consistent overall.

I love ICE, and grew up around race cars my entire life, including a real original GT40. But we can no longer ignore that the world is literally on fire due to climate change. Anybody who does, for whatever reason, only simply needs to watch the news. Certain parts of America now flood during sunny days because of sea levels, and certain parts of America and other nations burn much of the warm season now, such as California. That’s not media twisting facts. That’s streets full of water on a sunny day (google sunny day flooding).

The voice of the public, overall, is that we need change, and it should be. Will EVs solve these problems? No. They create a lot of pollution during manufacturing. But they are a step in the right direction and All car manufacturers will have to get on board eventually. Legislation against ICE is probably inevitable. Lexus is just being realistic. They are being wise.

I don’t want to see ICE go away, but even more than that, I want my kids to live their lives in a world worth living in, and I don’t want to watch the world reach a point we can’t recuperate from. If that means we gotta go fast in different ways, I’ll do it. We need to care about people more than pistons. I’ve never loved a car like I do my ISF, but there are much bigger issues here than my emotions.

In the meantime, we can watch the value of our V8s go up as they become rarer (and maybe eventually tank as they become Heresy).

Some of you may disagree, and that’s completely acceptable. Cheers everyone!

 

EVs give off the impression that is it clean. All the mining of the rare Earth metals are destructive to the Earth. Then there's the processing of said metals and transporting them and etc. Then there's the electricity. We are simply moving emissions from tail pipes to "smoke stacks." Most people view the end product but doesnt think about the process.

 

On a long enough timeline, EVs are cleaner though. More pollution up front, but they run cleaner and will eventually equate to less pollution than ICE on a long time frame Compared to a regular car. Tesla’s Gigafactory is miles ahead of our time, and runs almost completely on clean energy, for instance. Now your biggest culprit is the mining for materials, but there are efforts to find cleaner battery materials, for instance.

I’m not necessarily convinced that EVs are the answer, but I am convinced that ICE is part of the problem. the real answer is way bigger than just cars, and will require radical industrial change and change in expectations of what we do. Lexus is trying to head in the right direction. It’s simply time to end the dependence on ICE and look for a better option. The jury is still out as to what option is truly better, but we are out of time for the doing nothing option.

 

The temperature of this planet fluctuates, it has been doing that for millions of years, temperatures on other planets fluctuate too, there are different weather/climate patterns and they are totally uncontrollable by humans. ICE engines are not causing the climate/weather of this planet, a planet covered mostly by water to change or get worse. There have been major climate events going back hundreds to thousand of years that had nothing to do with man. Flooding has to do with other factors like erosion/poor controls/people living/developing closer and closer to water, same with California fires which is mainly from the combustible makeup of the plant/tree life/soils that has been going on for a long time. Pretty much every doom and gloom prediction about the climate/weather of this planet by "experts" has been totally wrong. The public is actually not demanding EV's or more importantly being forced into them by gov/politicians, their sales overall are pretty minuscule compared to ICE, the forced adoption to EV's has more to do with power/money/politics then "saving the planet" which is a total farce.

Whether EV's are adopted in mass or ICE stays it will make zero difference on the world your kids are living in. EV's solve basically nothing environmentally and create their own set of problems that are likely worse then just staying mostly with ICE, continuing to develop it, there is no free lunch with EV's when it comes to environmental impact. Pick your poison. Gas cars have their set of negatives that are already known and dealt with and so do EV's like massively increased energy demands/usage that more larger plants will need to be built to cope with and they pollute, massive Lithium strip mining that absolutely destroys the areas it is utilized, Nickel mining and processing is filthy along with other rare earth metals, fires from EV's which will be more common, what to do with all those large dead batteries, the extra weight of EV's on our roads and the damage they will cause, the extra charging infrastructure that needs to be added to entire countries, the fact that EV's make little to no profits unless you price them very high which means auto companies will need constant bailouts/incentives. The forced mass implementation of EV's on the public will be damaging to the environment, won't solve anything to do with climate and will cost tens of trillion of dollars if not hundreds for something that is not solving really anything and creating its own set of problems, ICE may not be the prettiest solution but the infrastructure is all already there, it is pretty cheap, we have plenty of oil and everything is already set up, there is no extra strain on the environment keeping ICE and it gets cleaner and cleaner every year. Even forcing EV's on the public is still not going to get rid of ICE when it comes to aircraft, boats, large transport trucks etc so the effects will be even more minuscule as those things generate a lot of pollution too.

I just find it a little silly when we are talking about V8's that it gets brought up that they are somehow ruining the planet, that could not be further from the truth. It is the sort of the same when talking about high performance exotic sports cars and someone brings up how irresponsible they are to the planet when in reality they do absolutely nothing, the tens of millions of Pris and electrics on the road not to mention big SUV's and Pickups driven every day do far more damage then the tens of thousands of exotic sports cars that are rarely driven even twice a week.

A meteor/asteroid strike or Yellow Stone going poses far more threat to the US and this planet then V8's or ICE cars and we are doing almost nothing about those very real threats because there is no real money or power or feel good mentality to be gained by it.

 

Its been proven that even with the impact from mining and production of EVs, they are still cleaner in their lifetime vs. ICE.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesel.../#298920776d24

Numerous scientific journals support this but the counter argument is much more sparse. In the US, emissions is much more favorable for the EV as most of our energy production isn't coal (less than 30%) but a combination of natural gas, nuclear, and renewables. I bet most EVs have a much cleaner profile in the US because most of them are sold in California to the more affluent buyers who have homes and solar. Even in its infancy, EVs are already cleaner. It will only get more cleaner as the technology to mine these materials and the manufacturing process improves.