FCA is perhaps the most unreliable brand if not THE most unreliable. You leased it, you can walk away easier. Reliability at the 9-15 year point, most brands struggle at that point.

That said, my brothers Dodge Charger has been rock solid reliable for the 10 years he’s had it. Too bad it was in a bad accident recently

 

One of the big reasons why I leased it, but the point is reliability matters to people who have cars under warranty too

 

Yep, It's going to be a lot more annoying when it is out of warranty too. As someone who in the last two years has purchased BMW, Porsche, and Lexus, ask yourselves this question. Why are the extended warranties on Lexus soooo much cheaper? My neighbor who has a new Q7 (a very nice and well reviewed vehicle) told me what they quoted him for an extended warranty. It was a crazy number. Go look through the German car forums about the reliability of the twin turbo V'8s. That said, I do understand the appeal of the German vehicles! I've bought 3 since 2017. I do want Lexus to improve and they aren't perfect. Hopefully this newly updated IS is a step in the right direction. But for me, right now, I am very happy with the GS F I just got, and the LC. In a perfect world, I'd love to have a E63 S AMG Wagon (my dream car right now) and know it would have no issues for a long time. I love a good sleeper car!

 

Well it wont be owned by me when its out of warranty lol

To be fair extended warranty for my LS is like $4,800. Extended warranty for any expensive and complex vehicle is going to cost a lot. I wouldn't want to own this LS out of warranty either

 

I'd love a E63 wagon, too, but my wife would probably divorce me if I brought a wagon home! haha That said, my neighbor has a 2017 E63 sedan and he's had no issues with it other than he goes through a lot of tires for some reason...

 

LOL, that's good! I usually get a 7 year/75,000 mile warranty. I don't put many miles on vehicles, and haven't been keeping them that long. But it's nice to know I have the option of keeping the car...and they prorate a refund. My M550i warranty was around $5579 and LC was around $2565. The GS F was slightly more from a different dealer. Porsche warranties were in the $5000 range I think for the same, although I opted for a even lower mileage variant on the 718.

 

Sure it may. Look at the german competitor's forums and it will open your eyes to those brand's reliability. As for this statement, "None-word of mouth publications supports Toyota as being the king of reliability." you can't be more wrong. Word of mouth definitely supports Toyota being the king of reliability...it really isn't even close. For example, my father's 2005 Toyota Camry - over 300,000 miles on it and not a major repair yet. My grandparents 2010 Lexus LS 460 - over 200,000 miles on it and not a major repair yet. My own 2007 Toyota Corolla (which I totaled in 2016) - roughly 169,000 miles on it and not a major repair. Most other competitors vehicles will not last nearly as long and if they do, you will spend a fortune fixing them. And by the way, I would put Honda and Subaru up there in terms of reliability as well. I have some friends who have those brand of vehicles and they all say good things about it and no repairs just general maintenance done on them.

Maybe a better way to look at reliability is to possibly look at cost of ownership over say 5, 10, 15 years.

 

More recent lease numbers:

Lease was starting to slow down a bit in 2018, but has since jumped back up.




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I meant to say, non-word of mouth publications like CR etc. Make sense? Word of mouth definitely supports Toyota reliability being superior

 

I do that, and I really don't find that to be the case. Its very similar to the forums here, quite frankly

Thats great for them, but there are several major repairs for the LS460 that are very common, and if you read the LS460 forum here they are discussed at length. Air suspension failures, brake actuator failures, control arms, audio system amps. and there is a service campaign to replace the entire interior because panels melt.

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my father's 2005 Toyota Camry - over 300,000 miles on it and not a major repair yet...

These cars are extremely simple, with very little sophistication and no technology, so nothing to go wrong. Not really comparable to the German Lexus competitors we are talking about, and when you look at a Lexus that is really complex and rivals German cars in that complexity (the LS460) there are issues to be had, and I consider the LS460 extremely reliable for what it is. But its rare to see an LS460 that goes 200k miles without the owner having to spend $1,000+ on a repair.

The point is, the issue is not just who has manufactured it but also complexity. As Toyotas and Lexus vehicles get more complex, their perfect reliability as several hundred thousand miles will change.

 

Heard it on CR podcast today.

someone was asking about Hyundai Palisade in relation to Toyota reliability, CRs take was:

”there are cars that are reliable, Hyundai, KIA are in that with Mazda, Subaru....there are reliable vehicles....and then there is Toyota”. “Toyota really does stand about”. “Always #1”

 

Except when they are #2 and #5 lol

 

You quoted JD at 3 years. My reference was to CR.

 

I thought CR was a bunch of clowns etc.??

 

Not for their reliability data. Reviews, ya