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Old Feb 6, 2020 | 03:30 PM
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Yeah. I agree. Toyota powertrains were not quite where GM was at the time.
Toyota made a supercharged, mid-engine, RWD minivan at that time. Take that!
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Toyota made a supercharged, mid-engine, RWD minivan at that time. Take that!
Previa was not RWD, it was AWD and that was dropped so it was FWD. It also had a 4 cylinder, and was still slow even with the S/C.

3800 vans were definitely not slow, at least for the time.
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Previa was not RWD, it was AWD and that was dropped so it was FWD. It also had a 4 cylinder, and was still slow even with the S/C.

3800 vans were definitely not slow, at least for the time.
I dont think it was FWD, I'm pretty sure it was actually a BOF with live rear axle. I may be wrong.
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Previa was RWD with an AWD option.
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Old Feb 6, 2020 | 05:44 PM
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The 3800 engine in a 90ies GM vehicle is pretty much why God created Toyota.
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Old Feb 6, 2020 | 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Previa was not RWD, it was AWD and that was dropped so it was FWD. It also had a 4 cylinder, and was still slow even with the S/C.

3800 vans were definitely not slow, at least for the time.
Thats not correct. The Previa was RWD, with an AWD option it was not FWD.

Every minivan I’ve ever driven lights the front tires up real easy.
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Old Feb 6, 2020 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
The 3800 engine in a 90ies GM vehicle is pretty much why God created Toyota.

Not quite. The late 70s/early-80s Chrysler and GM are why Toyota succeeded in the U.S.
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Thats not correct. The Previa was RWD, with an AWD option it was not FWD.

Every minivan I’ve ever driven lights the front tires up real easy.
Every minivan in 1994 didn't light up its tires. The GM minis didn't get great reviews but all the magazines loved the power the 3800 provided.

BTW they dropped the AWD in the Previa and switched to FWD when the S/C came out; it was a front-based system.

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Old Feb 6, 2020 | 06:20 PM
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No, you are not correct. The Previa was mid engined RWD and mid engined AWD. They were not FWD. Look it up...I did.

1990s Chrysler vans lit the front tires up. It’s the mass of the van and the low traction of the FWD. Other minivans were RWD.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
Yeah. I agree. Toyota powertrains were not quite where GM was at the time.
uhh... what? 90s toyota had possibly the best powertrains ever! you had things like 1UZ, 2JZ, 1MZ, 1FZ (what's in your LX 450) etc... it was often known for the bodies / frames to start going but the engine would keep going

basically everything about 90s GM (actually just GM in general) is just cheap plastic junk... you had cars with a 5.7 liter V8 that barely made 250 hp, the same figure toyota was able to get from a V8 nearly 2 whole liters smaller while being even more reliable

even the 3800 makes terrible figures for its size, and are known to eventually start leaking coolant internally from it's plastic intake manifold to the point that the engine can hydrolock, it's also just horribly antiquated
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uhh... what? 90s toyota had possibly the best powertrains ever! you had things like 1UZ, 2JZ, 1MZ, 1FZ (what's in your LX 450) etc... it was often known for the bodies / frames to start going but the engine would keep going

basically everything about 90s GM (actually just GM in general) is just cheap plastic junk... you had cars with a 5.7 liter V8 that barely made 250 hp, the same figure toyota was able to get from a V8 nearly 2 whole liters smaller while being even more reliable

even the 3800 makes terrible figures for its size, and are known to eventually start leaking coolant internally from it's plastic intake manifold to the point that the engine can hydrolock, it's also just horribly antiquated
They are good but not as spec competitive. We have two 90s powertrains. They are super long lasting, smooth and well built. But they lack competitive power. I think our LX is 210hp and my 4Runner is 235hp in 2004. General Motors was clearing far better power figures in the 90s. I think GMs 4.8 was at 285hp in 1998
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
We have two 90s powertrains. They are super long lasting, smooth and well built. But they lack competitive power.
That may be one reason why they are long-lasting. Lower power often means less stress on the engine's internals, unless people floor the pedal all the time trying to make up for that lack of power....and something tells me, from watching how you posted for the last 9-10 years, that you usually don't drive that way.
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Originally Posted by AJT123
Every minivan in 1994 didn't light up its tires. The GM minis didn't get great reviews but all the magazines loved the power the 3800 provided.

BTW they dropped the AWD in the Previa and switched to FWD when the S/C came out; it was a front-based system.
There was never a FWD Previa in the US.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
That may be one reason why they are long-lasting. Lower power often means less stress on the engine's internals, unless people floor the pedal all the time trying to make up for that lack of power....and something tells me, from watching how you posted for the last 10 years, that you usually don't drive that way.
Nonsense. It’s engineering. An engine is either designed to last a certain interval, or not. If you want a car that last a long time, but a Toyota, if you don’t, go someplace else.
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Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
They are good but not as spec competitive. We have two 90s powertrains. They are super long lasting, smooth and well built. But they lack competitive power. I think our LX is 210hp and my 4Runner is 235hp in 2004. General Motors was clearing far better power figures in the 90s. I think GMs 4.8 was at 285hp in 1998
that 4.8 liter wasn't really used until the early 00s i don't think an engine that was first used in 1999 can even really count as a 90s engine, i will concede though that the non-vvti 2UZ is down on power but is SO reliable and torquey that it's excusable

also according to the almost always accurate wikipedia, the 4.8 in 1999 only made 255 hp and wasn't until a few years later it was rated at 285
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