UAW strike
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Have you bought a BMW? Even the ones made in Germany have their share of problems. It also dodges the fact that Camrys and Accords built in the U.S. last almost forever.
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I have an Odyssey made in the US and its fallen apart. So yeah...i do have experience. My IS350 built in Japan didn't have a single rattle after 60k miles. It is what it is...
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It takes time to learn how to do any job. It takes time to learn how to make a latte; it takes time to learn how to work a cash register; it takes time to learn how to properly stock shelves; it takes time to learn how to work the floor waxer. You are using the term "unskilled" to mean that anyone can step into the job on day one and perform it as well as a 20 year veteran.
Unskilled means that it generally takes little to no training and requires little inititive on one's own. And, given a choice, if I were buying a vehicle, I would sure prefer it to be made by 20-year veterans than by 20-Minute Wonders.
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Agreed, 90's Toyota Camry's were every bit as good Kentucky built or Japan the same applies now. I'd say overwhelmingly quality is the result of good design and working closely with OEMs versus where the car is made.
How about this:
we examined union disclosure forms to figure out how many union presidents earned more than the average CEO in 2016. The results are striking: 153 union presidents made more than the typical CEO ($194,350) in gross salary.
https://laborpains.org/2017/05/17/un...ay-watch-2017/
and look at the union boss salaries in there, averaging half a million...
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Union bosses have not always been exemplary, either. But this time, it is not the bosses who are at the gist of the strike.....it is the employees themselves. They are absolutely fed up....and have had enough.
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The UAW plans, supports, and motivates the strike. The strike is entirely at the control of the UAW.
And what are they fed up about? Fed up about making the highest hourly wages in their industry by a wide margin?
They have had enough of being the highest paid workforce in the industry? Give me a break.
And what are they fed up about? Fed up about making the highest hourly wages in their industry by a wide margin?
They have had enough of being the highest paid workforce in the industry? Give me a break.
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It is a skilled profession if and when you consider the tolerances that modern vehicles are built to. That is not an opinion, or a claim, or simply making a play on words to bolster an arguement, but a fact. If you don't understand that, then I agree.....your conversation and mine are over. Have a nice day.
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That just isnt true.Pay is at the center of the issue. The UAW wants GM to increase pay or do away with their lower tier pay scale for newer workers. So while pay at the top end isn't as much an issue, this very well is.
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I don't really agree. Money is a huge part of it. It's the first item on the list on the UAW web site.
https://uaw.org/auto-workers-go-stri...level-profits/
Following a formal meeting of the GM Council consisting of local union leaders, the UAW announced he membership is going on strike at midnight Sunday to secure:
- Fair Wages
- Affordable Healthcare
- Our Share of Profits
- Job Security
- A Defined Path to Permanent Seniority for Temps
https://uaw.org/auto-workers-go-stri...level-profits/
These plants belong to GM, not UAW, and GM is free to close them at will. UAW is biting the hand that feeds them, and its only a matter of time before automakers figure out a way to go non union.
Last edited by Och; Oct 15, 2019 at 02:56 PM.
